Eagle's Future
 

Im thinking about applying at American Eagle, but im getting mixed signals on what Eagle's future looks like. One CRJ-700 check airmen I talked to said the company has plans to expand (atleast his flying anways), and on various postings, its been said Eagle's flying will stay flat. The same back and forth principle applies for upgrade times as well. So, for those already at Eagle, or for those that have more wisdom than I, what does your crystal ball say about Eagle's future?

They are going to get spun off, then in a few years 69 of their planes are going to be released from their newly signed CPA, and some other regional will take the flying from you guys...............Then not wanting to give the a/c back to Americans incompetent CEO they will start their own airline out of ONT......................wait a sec

that story sounds vaguely familiar.. i just dont know where I've heard it before :o :D

Basically nobody knows. Hell I doubt the CEO of Eagle knows. Anyone who says they know exactly what will happen with any airline is full of bs. All you can do is find a company that you would like to work for today based on bases, contract, QOL, and hope for the best in the future. I think that Eagle has a lot of POTENTIAL for the future, but that remains to be seen.

This post is spot on, in my opinion. Do what's right for you.

The thing with the Beagle is that everything is dependent on the mothership. If AA stays profitable, expands, etc., Eagle is probably going to be a good place to be. However, if another downturn hits, here come the flowbacks (if that agreement still exists), and up goes your upgrade time. Eagle fliers, when does the flowthrough agreement expire? Personally, if you have the time, I'd look elsewhere (the big 3: SkyWest, Air Wisconsin, XJet). Such airlines are not completely maxed out on growth (like I THINK Eagle is, I don't know, though), don't have a flowthrough/flowback, and still get you the quality time to apply to American and others on down the line.

Good luck.

IMO, if there is going to be any growth its going to be after the AA contract negotiations are complete. As for flowthrough I here they are working on it, guess it expires soon. Been buried in jungle jet books:o

Expires at 2359:59 (1159:59 pm) 31 April 2008. It is going to be a fun 12 months to see what happens.

What about Republic. I think that is THE place to be right now

Now that's just damn funny!

Eagle could definitely expand a lot, but the problem is we dont have any a/c to do so right now. There will be NO new aircraft for for AE until the MD80 replacement plans are set in stone (half the replacements will be 737s half will be some sort of 100seat product), the APA contract is hammered out, and 787s are ordered. I am guessing this will all be around 2009. When this happens I am guessing some 70seaters will be ordered for Eagle. AE wont see anything larger than that in my opinion.

P.S. this is all speculation! I am not that smart

I think that the Air Whiskey guys who are coming to RAH since they never get to fly would disagree with you.

Yeah, I'd include them, too...I'm a little bit behind the hip RJ trends nowadays.:D Looks like big growth happening there right now, though.

I just got offered a class date with Eagle. I was very impressed with the training center/corperate offices that american and Eagle have. They did give me the base I wanted I will most likely get the a/c I want. I am looking for a stable job with not a lot of drama (i.e. mins going to commercial M.E. instrument, not knowing if the airline iwll be there in 4 years). I am very excited to start class but I just don't want to get myself into the whole rollercoster that other airlines are going through.

No one is immune to the rollercoaster...While some may believe that Eagle is a bit more stable (including me, and I'd say only a little bit), it's still a regional airline, and crazy things happen. Enjoy the ride!

Yeah Pan Am and Eastern used to be the places to be as well:eek:

Just remember boys, just like Upgrade times what it is today is no indication of what it might be a year or two down the road

You will enjoy the training at Eagle. The instructors I had there were top notch. Do your homework, let them see how willing you are to learn and grow and they are right behind you, working with you. Don't make any bones about it, though, they do have a 3 strike your out policy during intial training. Although in my class, we didn't have anyone with any problems. We had a pretty smart group of people. All my sim guys and checkride guys were great. The facility at AMR is really impressive, and I always get such a kick walking around there. Such history, and money in all these multi-million dollar sims. Although, like Saab says......Pan Am and Eastern used to be like that, too. You never know how this industry will go. Eagle is reputed to have the best training out there, so it's a great place to start. Best of luck to you, and, take my advice. DON'T make mistakes on probation. Your captain cannot save you!!!!!

What the hell were those last 2 sentences all about? Probation is probation.

Show up, do your job, go home. It's pretty simple. We're not altar boys/astronauts at Eagle. Just people.

Does anyone have a breakdown of what equipment is at what base for Eagle?

I do!
 

If you want BOS or LGA the EMB, DFW or LAX saab, MIA SJU ATR, ORD; well that a toss up. the three in my class going there got the CRJ. I hear most of the time its the ERJ. I'm in training now, and its enjoyable. Very long but, in depth. Like Git R dun says its a very impressive place and good instructors. Not terribly difficult if you come from a 121 job. EMB is a simple plane. Good first jet. Just a little nervous about flying on probation. They told us some stories of how easy it is to lose your job. Now I have to go study and GIT R DUN:p

Nice new bid out with 48 new Captain slots. Now if that will just continue...

Good Afternoon,

Is 48 an unusually high number of Captain slots? Are there signs of a little quicker upgrade time?

V/R,
Apollo

Its unusually high for Eagle, we have been averaging about 20/mo upgrades in the past. We are all optomistic that this will continue!

Flyby,

Thanks for the figures, and the optimism.

V/R,
Apollo

the 48 is a smokescreen. they are not backfilling certain slots (it potentially could be only a 31 CA upgrade <--- which is better than nothing).

Only two things in life are certain, Death and Taxes.

True, if all 13 of those non-backfill slots are vacated then it will be 35 upgrades only. Or they could change their minds again and take some away; but they do need more Captains, so if we can spare the FOs for training then they'll stand. Also I think they still want to add the 10 Saabs, just have to get staffing for them first. At best this is the start of a good run of movement at Eagle for the next couple of years with flowbacks leaving, a wee bit o' growth and many of the majors/nationals beginning to have everyone recalled and starting to hire from the street. At worst it sure beats a sharp stick in the eye.

The majority of the non-backfills on that vacancy bid are FO positions.

Some potentially useful information about Eagle.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=11751

Yeah, I shoulda clarified that I was referring to the only the 13 potential Captain seats that wouldn't be backfilled.

Let's just make it even more clear as to what's up. Here is the announcement in all its glory.

TO: ALL PILOTS 1 OF 2
A VACANCY BID IS OPEN EFF <13 APR 2007>:
*VACANCIES* *ENTER TRAINING NO LATER THAN*
<04 DFW CA CRJ <31 OCT 07
<03 DFW FO CRJ <31 OCT 07
<07 ORD FO CRJ <31 OCT 07
<04 BOS FO EMJ <31 OCT 07
<18 DFW CA EMJ <31 OCT 07
<14 LGA FO EMJ <31 OCT 07
<17 ORD CA EMJ <31 OCT 07
<22 ORD FO EMJ <31 OCT 07
<02 MIA FO ATR <31 OCT 07
<05 SJU CA ATR <31 OCT 07
<12 SJU FO ATR <31 OCT 07
<04 DFW CA SF3 <31 OCT 07
<10 DFW FO SF3 <31 OCT 07
<18 LAX FO SF3 <31 OCT 07
CONT PAGE 2



VM*/F070693
######
13APR07/2019

CONT FROM PAGE 1 2 OF 2
.
WE WILL NOT BACKFILL OCC, THE FIRST 10 DFE,
THE FIRST 3 LCE, THE FIRST 3 LFE, THE FIRST 5 NCE,
OR THE FIRST 5 LCS.
THIS BID WILL CLOSE SATURDAY 28APR07 AT 2300 CENTRAL.
THE AWARDS WILL BE POSTED ON OR BEFORE 05MAY07.

Translation:
OCC = Chicago CA CRJ
DFE = Dallas FO EMJ
LCE = Los Angeles CA EMJ
LFE = Los Angeles FO EMJ
NCE = New York CA EMJ
LCS = Los Angeles CA SAAB

Thanks for the translation.

What does it mean when the say they won't backfill? Sorry if this is a stupid question.

Not stupid at all.

It means that if you currently are a Boston FO on the EMJ and you are awarded the DFW CA SAAB position, they will backfill your slot, making a total of 5 BOS FO EMJ awards. However if you are an LAX FO EMJ, they will not award your seat to anyone, unless 3 more LAX FO EMJ bid out.

more importantly the CA slots will not be backfilled. before these larger CA awards they were backfilling nothing so it was simply a CA to CA movement in general (ie SF3, ATR guys going to the jets).

Makes sense. Thanks for the help!

Since 2007 and probably before, L-AE is waiting on new planes.

Keep the faith!

How long did it take you to find this thread?

How many CRJs did EGL have in 2007? How many CRJs does EGL have now? Don't let the facts get in the way of a pointless thread necro....