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Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 144768)
So where do you work with all the valuable experience you gained since you attended airplane college. I highly doubt you understand those things better than myself either. Do you hold an atp yet or better yet a cfi? In my opinion you can't truely learn until you teach it anyway. The point is the things you had "learn" for your degree that you say would set you apart is the same things everyone else has to learn anyway, its in the pts. You might be out on a limb here talking about something for which you have no personal experience or expertise. I don't know of any FAA Certificate that substitutes for a college degree. . |
Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 144792)
You're kidding, right? Do you really think that the PTS and the Gleim book will give one the same understanding as a college-level course in Aerodynamics or Human Physiology? As for being a CFI, you can't teach something you don't know.
You might be out on a limb here talking about something for which you have no personal experience or expertise. I don't know of any FAA Certificate that substitutes for a college degree. . So basically what you are saying is that having those classes makes you a better pilot than someone who didn't go to riddle or whatever. Wow. Actually you have to learn those concepts in order to teach them, and yes they have to be taught even if you don't go to airplane school. You have obviously not been a cfi. |
You have obviously not been a cfi. |
Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 144768)
its in the pts.
By saying, "its in the pts", is a big clue to how little knowledge you actually have. |
Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 144801)
So basically what you are saying is that having those classes makes you a better pilot than someone who didn't go to riddle or whatever. Wow. No, that's not what I said. I didn't say that an aviation degree would necessarily make one a better pilot. And that's not what machaf said, either. He said, "anyone with an aviation degree has a much better understanding of human factors, high-speed aerodynamics and physiology than yourself." Reread that sentence, and notice the "much better understanding" part. You disputed that assertion, and I believe your dispute is founded on ignorance of what is involved in a college-level course on aerodynamics or physiology. None of the PTS even come close.
Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 144801)
Actually you have to learn those concepts in order to teach them, and yes they have to be taught even if you don't go to airplane school. You have obviously not been a cfi. I didn't attend an aviation university, per se. However, I took courses in Aeronautical Engineering and Human Physiology that far surpass any PTS in content and depth. To think that I could acquire the knowledge I gained in those courses by studying for the ATP or earning a CFI would be utterly absurd. When subsequently earning ratings, the PTS material was as basic to me as elementary addition. Having the college education was an advantage to me, and it would be to anyone else. Having said that, I don't universally recommend that course of action, or career path, for everyone. Those subject areas interested me, and I did well in college with them. For others, they will not be interesting, they probably won't do well, and attempting that course will result in disappointment and possibly failure. That's OK, because it's not required. They can major in accounting, and still be taught to the lower level of the PTS and earn their ratings. The plastic card from OKC will look just the same. . |
I little off topic but in response to those bashing the aviation schools having not tried both i just wanna say that people can have a blast in college no matter where they are. Ive gone to both types of colleges (UF and now riddle) and i had a blast at UF and am having fun at riddle. Yes, the girl to guy ratio at riddle isnt as great as UF's but if u need your school to meet girls well then good luck finding one once u get out lol. There are good looking girls in every city so that really isnt a problem. All im saying is how fun u have is based on the people you meet(contacts) and become friends with. Im enjoying my classes at riddle, learning about something im passionate about. I dont think people should fault others for that.
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Well one thing you can't argue about is that with that wonderful aviation science degree, there isn't anything else you can use it for except on your resume to the airlines. If you lose your medical what would you do? And I agree that the pts is the minimum and training should aim to exceed it. I also feel you are getting a little too offended in defense of your school. If you're proud of it then great, I personally think you wasted your time and money but that's just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 144874)
Well one thing you can't argue about is that with that wonderful aviation science degree, there isn't anything else you can use it for except on your resume to the airlines. If you lose your medical what would you do? And I agree that the pts is the minimum and training should aim to exceed it. I also feel you are getting a little too offended in defense of your school. If you're proud of it then great, I personally think you wasted your time and money but that's just my opinion.
Do you realize that VERY high percentage of people have careers in a field that has absolutely nothing to do with their college degree? Thus your argument is not valid. A degree is a degree. |
Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 144768)
The point is the things you had "learn" for your degree that you say would set you apart is the same things everyone else has to learn anyway, its in the pts.
Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 144874)
And I agree that the pts is the minimum and training should aim to exceed it.
Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 144874)
Well one thing you can't argue about is that with that wonderful aviation science degree, there isn't anything else you can use it for except on your resume to the airlines. If you lose your medical what would you do?
Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 144874)
I also feel you are getting a little too offended in defense of your school. If you're proud of it then great, I personally think you wasted your time and money but that's just my opinion. I'll give you a hint -- no more money, and no more time, than if I had majored in History. Why don't you just admit you don't have a clue about what you're arguing about here? If you didn't go to college, nobody cares. There's no need for you to try to disabuse everyone else of the notion that college is good, and an aviation degree is a valid option. There are advantages and disadvantages -- not one and only one (your) answer. . |
You must have gone to the University of Phoenix Online, haha
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Originally Posted by ScaryKite
(Post 144579)
if i hear one more damn thing about their CRJ sim or purdues 727, i think i am going to cut my nuts off, hit someone across the face with them, and hurry my ass to the hospital to repair the damage. My god, flying a "sim" in a "rigorous" college program still doesnt have near the value of actually going out there and flight instructing, or flying some charter for a year or two.
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Wow, this got intense quick... who coulda predicted that?
Here's the bottomline guys... It just really doesn't matter. There are pros and cons to both sides of the college/fbo or other flight training arguement. The only constant, is that the individual must choose which route is BEST for him/her to take. What works for one, will not necessarly work for another. Quite often you will see questions regarding this topic, but you will never see any answers... And the reason is quite simple, as there is no one right answer...;) |
Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 144874)
Well one thing you can't argue about is that with that wonderful aviation science degree, there isn't anything else you can use it for except on your resume to the airlines. If you lose your medical what would you do? And I agree that the pts is the minimum and training should aim to exceed it. I also feel you are getting a little too offended in defense of your school. If you're proud of it then great, I personally think you wasted your time and money but that's just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 144938)
You must have gone to the University of Phoenix Online, haha . |
Why go Riddle?
Because you get to know more people, and they know you. Beyond that, my biggest class has been 35 people. Im typing this in one that has 9. Ill take this setting any day over this 'normal' college yall are talking about. Yeah the finances behind it suck, but if you personally (outside of whoever else knocks wherever else) want to do it, do it. Korean1DR hit it right on the dot. |
Hey tony, you're a tool. no wonder you went to riddle. Where do you work?
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Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 145089)
Hey tony, you're a tool. no wonder you went to riddle. Where do you work?
Yeah, he's sure some tool...and you're the beacon of higher education. |
Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 145089)
Hey tony, you're a tool. no wonder you went to riddle. Where do you work? I was accepted to Riddle, but chose another path. Nuthin' wrong with Riddle. Me work? You wouldn't be interested. :rolleyes: . |
The PTS only sets forth the minimum acceptable standard. If you choose to be a pilot that adheres to the minimum standard that's your choice.
How does an obsolete degree in a field outside aviation help you any more than an aviation degree? Most fields are pretty dynamic and much of what you learned in school probably won't apply. Hell, most of my friends outside aviation feel that they have rarely applied their degree directly into their jobs. If I loose my medical after 15 years I'll have greater difficulty finding a job than a marketing major. I know dozens of pilots that were displaced after 9-11 and had no problems finding jobs that paid as well or better than an aviation gig. |
Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 145089)
Hey tony, you're a tool. no wonder you went to riddle. Where do you work?
Not exactly the best behavior for an industry that often relies very heavily on networking... but I suppose that in your ignorance and youth that you figure you don't need the help of others to succeed. Just remember that the foot your stomping on today could very well be attached to the ass you'll be kissing tomorrow. We can go round and round all day... But the truth is there's no right or wrong- only opinion. A graduate from a 4 year aviation program is going to have a different experience and knowledge level than somebody that trained wholly at a local FBO. Both have advantages, and both have the necessary skill to obtain a rating. That said, odds are that the 4 year degree student has had more in depth training in certain subjects than that of the local FBO student. Does that make him a better pilot? No. But it does count for something. Likewise, the FBO pilot often has other life experience that a wet behind the ears aviation university grad brings to the table. They've also probably learned to fly in a less structured environment, which can certainly be a benefit for some jobs. There's nothing wrong with either road. In the end, the piece of plastic still looks the same and says the same thing. And often they come at a very similar price. My aviation degree from UND + FAA certificates cost the same as a good friend that majored in Business from Virginia Tech and then learned to fly at the local FBO. We have similar student loan payments, and both fly for a living. The difference? While we both graduated in 2000, it took him an additional year before he was hired on at his first aviation job (he too is a full time aviator). Both of us ended up working for the same company (I was happy to write a recommendation for him). The only difference was that I could interview with lower time since I was an aviation major. |
Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 145089)
Hey tony, you're a tool. no wonder you went to riddle. Where do you work?
Thank goodness you're junior to me... |
Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 145006)
The depth of your ignorance is astounding.
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Originally Posted by CaptainMark
(Post 145806)
het tony since you won't say it..i will...hey txturd...tony has more time in a holding pattern with one engine on fire in a snowstorm over denver eating a chicken sandwich than u have total time...and at FDX we use cessna 310s as chocks..go away little boy...
Can I use this hahaha!!! :D :D |
Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
(Post 145147)
Not exactly the best behavior for an industry that often relies very heavily on networking... but I suppose that in your ignorance and youth that you figure you don't need the help of others to succeed. Just remember that the foot your stomping on today could very well be attached to the ass you'll be kissing tomorrow.
We can go round and round all day... But the truth is there's no right or wrong- only opinion. A graduate from a 4 year aviation program is going to have a different experience and knowledge level than somebody that trained wholly at a local FBO. Both have advantages, and both have the necessary skill to obtain a rating. That said, odds are that the 4 year degree student has had more in depth training in certain subjects than that of the local FBO student. Does that make him a better pilot? No. But it does count for something. Likewise, the FBO pilot often has other life experience that a wet behind the ears aviation university grad brings to the table. They've also probably learned to fly in a less structured environment, which can certainly be a benefit for some jobs. There's nothing wrong with either road. In the end, the piece of plastic still looks the same and says the same thing. And often they come at a very similar price. My aviation degree from UND + FAA certificates cost the same as a good friend that majored in Business from Virginia Tech and then learned to fly at the local FBO. We have similar student loan payments, and both fly for a living. The difference? While we both graduated in 2000, it took him an additional year before he was hired on at his first aviation job (he too is a full time aviator). Both of us ended up working for the same company (I was happy to write a recommendation for him). The only difference was that I could interview with lower time since I was an aviation major. Well put! That's why airlines hire from both paths. |
I regret not getting an aviation degree from an aviation school.
I made an even worse mistake than majoring in aviation. I went out of state to a military college which some penal colonies have higher standards of living. And I paid out of state rates! yuck. Ended up with a history degree. Which was okay at best, I worked in finance for around 18mos. And now I'm chasing this flying gig like I always really wanted. Would have been a better path for me... i think, maybe...who knows. |
Originally Posted by Dark Knight
(Post 145836)
I regret not getting an aviation degree from an aviation school.
I made an even worse mistake than majoring in aviation. I went out of state to a military college which some penal colonies have higher standards of living. And I paid out of state rates! yuck. Ended up with a history degree. Which was okay at best, I worked in finance for around 18mos. And now I'm chasing this flying gig like I always really wanted. Would have been a better path for me... i think, maybe...who knows. A aviation degree is ok. It depends on what you want to do. If you want to get into airport or airline management then its good. To be a pilot, you dont really need one |
Calling Tony a "tool" is floridly stupid. I am not sure how, after reading his posts, you could take offense at his opinions enough to call him a tool.
I see both points - an Aviation Degree could be looked upon as a meaningless degree outside of the flying profession. I also understand VERY well that degreed people will usually not end up in there Major. Perhaps one way to avoid this is something like a Math degree (or similiar Liberal Arts degree - Physics, English, etc.). You could always have the fallback of teaching, and a Liberal Arts education could serve to make you a more well rounded human being. It would serve notice that you know HOW to learn and can finish a task which is what most employers are looking for. Most college graduates that I see are fairly worthless when starting employment anyway (in the business world) and need to be taught the business. The fact that they completed college means they are teachable and can stay on task - which will shorten the learning curve in the real world. Just my two cents. |
TXTECHKA... CRJ ... May 30th...CHQ Republic....Watch it... could get rough for you if you keep this attitude.
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Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 145089)
Hey tony, you're a tool. no wonder you went to riddle. Where do you work?
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Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 145913)
Ok, I apologize for saying that but I still stick by my opinion that an aviation degree is a waste of time and money. Just my opinion, some may feel it is useful and some may not. The point is, whatever you feel better about is what's best for you.
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I guess I could be quite the stereo type....agricultural economics...haha
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
(Post 145977)
Does TXTECHKA stand for a Texas Tech in Lubbock where you can get a degree in "Rodeo Riding" - if that's what's best for you ? :D :D
I'm sure all the RAH guys are going to have tons of fun flying the line with this guy; glad it's not me... (and just so you don't go off...I am not saying my degree was better than yours, or that I'm a better pilot than you, or that my school was better than yours, or that you went to the University of Phoenix on-line, or anything like that...so don't misinterpret. I'm simply saying that you are being a giant d0uche). |
Originally Posted by MustangFa1con
(Post 145988)
Yea, this guy is basically telling everyone where he went to school, what he flies, and where he works, etc., etc....FYI: if you're going to let people know who you really are, try not to be such a giant d0ucheb@g ....
I'm sure all the RAF guys are going to have tons of fun flying the line with this guy; glad it's not me... (and just so you don't go off...I am not saying my degree was better than yours, or that I'm a better pilot than you, or that my school was better than yours, or that you went to the University of Phoenix on-line, or anything like that...so don't misinterpret. I'm simply saying that you are being a giant d0uche). |
MustangFa1con banned from the site.
Insults, even when no-so-cleverly mis-spelled, are not the level of dialog that we expect here. I don't proclaim to be a boy scout, although we do ask that the dialog be kept professional and reasonably civil. This post was neither - I'd ask all users to review the forum TOS if there any questions. |
Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 145089)
Hey tony, you're a tool. no wonder you went to riddle. Where do you work?
Just bringing this up for consistancy and with all due respect. You may have missed the above quote...or I am completely misunderstanding the phrase "yo'u're a tool". |
Originally Posted by stinsonjr
(Post 146038)
If you are going to ban someone for calling names (douche), then it would be fair to ban the other user for calling names (a tool).
Just bringing this up for consistancy and with all due respect. You may have missed the above quote...or I am completely misunderstanding the phrase "yo'u're a tool". |
Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
(Post 145985)
I guess I could be quite the stereo type....agricultural economics...haha
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Yessir. That's awesome that you were there, it's a shame that they don't use it for anything these days. It just kind of sits there.
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hey Ftroop,
is that "Ftroop" as in may 15th 1864? |
I am an instructor at Ohio University, I graduated and I am currently working for the school. Its a great time I Instruct 6 days a week which kinda stinks but i can still pretend that I am a undergrad still. I go out and have fun and enjoy the 60% women ratio. Lots of bars and clubs and just good people with good parties. As far as the aviation goes it is a pretty good school. We are not as big as some of the schools but thats what makes it fun, everybody knows each other and we all have a good time. I think you should seriously look at OU. By the way everything is within walking distance so no DUI's
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