You're kidding, right? Do you really think that the PTS and the Gleim book will give one the same understanding as a college-level course in Aerodynamics or Human Physiology? As for being a CFI, you can't teach something you don't know.

You might be out on a limb here talking about something for which you have no personal experience or expertise. I don't know of any FAA Certificate that substitutes for a college degree.




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So basically what you are saying is that having those classes makes you a better pilot than someone who didn't go to riddle or whatever. Wow. Actually you have to learn those concepts in order to teach them, and yes they have to be taught even if you don't go to airplane school. You have obviously not been a cfi.

Uh oh.. be easy on him TonyC. He doesn't know any better.

For your information, I hold an ATP, CFI/CFII/MEI (all are current BTW). I'm not sure why any of that matters...

By saying, "its in the pts", is a big clue to how little knowledge you actually have.

College might also help one with reading comprehension.

No, that's not what I said. I didn't say that an aviation degree would necessarily make one a better pilot. And that's not what machaf said, either. He said, "anyone with an aviation degree has a much better understanding of human factors, high-speed aerodynamics and physiology than yourself." Reread that sentence, and notice the "much better understanding" part.

You disputed that assertion, and I believe your dispute is founded on ignorance of what is involved in a college-level course on aerodynamics or physiology. None of the PTS even come close.



I would be embarrassed if all I knew about aviation was what the PTS required. If that's your standard, you're aiming pretty low.

I didn't attend an aviation university, per se. However, I took courses in Aeronautical Engineering and Human Physiology that far surpass any PTS in content and depth. To think that I could acquire the knowledge I gained in those courses by studying for the ATP or earning a CFI would be utterly absurd. When subsequently earning ratings, the PTS material was as basic to me as elementary addition. Having the college education was an advantage to me, and it would be to anyone else.

Having said that, I don't universally recommend that course of action, or career path, for everyone. Those subject areas interested me, and I did well in college with them. For others, they will not be interesting, they probably won't do well, and attempting that course will result in disappointment and possibly failure. That's OK, because it's not required. They can major in accounting, and still be taught to the lower level of the PTS and earn their ratings. The plastic card from OKC will look just the same.




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I little off topic but in response to those bashing the aviation schools having not tried both i just wanna say that people can have a blast in college no matter where they are. Ive gone to both types of colleges (UF and now riddle) and i had a blast at UF and am having fun at riddle. Yes, the girl to guy ratio at riddle isnt as great as UF's but if u need your school to meet girls well then good luck finding one once u get out lol. There are good looking girls in every city so that really isnt a problem. All im saying is how fun u have is based on the people you meet(contacts) and become friends with. Im enjoying my classes at riddle, learning about something im passionate about. I dont think people should fault others for that.

Well one thing you can't argue about is that with that wonderful aviation science degree, there isn't anything else you can use it for except on your resume to the airlines. If you lose your medical what would you do? And I agree that the pts is the minimum and training should aim to exceed it. I also feel you are getting a little too offended in defense of your school. If you're proud of it then great, I personally think you wasted your time and money but that's just my opinion.

Do you realize that VERY high percentage of people have careers in a field that has absolutely nothing to do with their college degree? Thus your argument is not valid.

A degree is a degree.

Changing your tune there a bit, aren't you?







Well, for one thing, I could still instruct.




Which school do you see me defending? How much money do you think I wasted on it? How much time do you think I wasted?

I'll give you a hint -- no more money, and no more time, than if I had majored in History.


Why don't you just admit you don't have a clue about what you're arguing about here? If you didn't go to college, nobody cares. There's no need for you to try to disabuse everyone else of the notion that college is good, and an aviation degree is a valid option. There are advantages and disadvantages -- not one and only one (your) answer.




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You must have gone to the University of Phoenix Online, haha