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Sadly, some sucker will come on the forum telling his sad story about how F9 is his dream job. He or she will say how they love animals or some other nonsense. The pilot machine will keep churning.
Sad, we have not come together as a group and said, Enough with the BS.

It gets better folks! All probationary pilots will have peer evaluations done and meet with Chief pilots at your halfway point during your probationary period. Not joking!! You’re going to have to get 3 peer Evals from captains you’ve flown with and hand carry them to the principals office to go over your performance during the first 6 months, and determine whether you need to come in after another 3 months. I don’t even think regionals have you fill out FO evals anymore. Think very carefully about if the move to frontier is worth it.

WTF (welcome to frontier)

http://www.frontierbadbargain.com

Frontier Pilot Facts

100% READY TO STRIKE!!!

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Originally Posted by I like BIG Bus (Post 2637957)

I know Envoy had them however they are not mandatory by any means.

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Originally Posted by I like BIG Bus (Post 2637957)

We still do evals at oo. With the current hiring practices at the regional level, I'm not opposed to them. For us they're online and take about 30 seconds to fill out.

I think probationary evals from pilots you fly with is pretty common in the industry, even at mainline carriers.

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Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2638458)

We still do evals at oo. With the current hiring practices at the regional level, I'm not opposed to them. For us they're online and take about 30 seconds to fill out.

Whether you need to monitor new hires closely depends on who you hire.

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Originally Posted by I like BIG Bus (Post 2636869)

If the company cancelling over 100 pilot vacations in AUG, or getting fired for calling in sick on probation still doesn’t phase you and you still want to blow money on a hotel for the interview, just because they called. The airline is owned by investors. They don’t give a rat’s a$$ about employees, passengers, or on time performance. Heck, they don’t give a crap about the airline, except for the the fact that it’s a cash machine for them. They make millions on every aircraft delivery. They sell them to a leasing company and lease them back. They don’t own anything. They’ve sold off as many gates as they could get away with without completely destroying the airline. They have barely any assets. They have a certificate, gates at various airports, HQ people, flight attendants and Pilots. It is basically an Airbus leaseback company that happens to have scheduled service. I’m not sure how long Frontier is even going to be around. Don’t waste your time. Whatever they’re promising they are lying. Upgrades are well over three years and climbing. And you’ll be on reserve for well over a year. You might hear stories of a guy getting off reserve in 6 mos but it sure as heck won’t be you. If you’re after an Airbus type raring, it would be cheaper and much better quality of life if you just bought your own type. If you were hitting on someone at a bar and they were an awful person with anal warts, herpes and would mug you and leave you for dead if you took them back to your room with you, wouldn’t you want someone who knew that to tell you so you could go talk to someone else. Well let me just say there is a reason Frontier calls first. But if you still want to get into bed with them, it’s your call.

Frontier Pilot Facts

http://www.frontierbadbargain.com

100% READY TO STRIKE!!!!

I interviewed at F9 mainly for the interview experience after a long, hard inner debate with myself about whether I should no-show or not. It cost me about $600 to prepare myself for it. All in all, I did not lose much in terms of personal resources because the suit and briefcase and electronic logbook that I bought will be utilized to be hired by companies which have much more to offer me in the long run. I did waste $250 on a hotel, transportation, and food, though. When they told me by the end of the interview that they would not hire me and they wanted to see me again in 6 months, not going to lie I was more than pleased! No one should be going to Frontier in this environment unless they are absolutely committed to living within spitting distance of its bases.

@OP, thanks for posting this information and letting us all know. We all ought to watch out for one another. So posting stuff like this helps us all make an informed decision.

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Originally Posted by FedUpPayMe (Post 2638856)

Did you ask why they turned you down? At that point it would have cost you nothing to ask.

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Originally Posted by Quarryman (Post 2639479)

Did you ask why they turned you down? At that point it would have cost you nothing to ask.

A friend of mine and I, we both interviewed a few months apart as regional FOs and they gave us the reason that we should upgrade and then reapply in 6 months. It beats me why they would want this when they regularly hire FOs from our regional and others. We noticed though that we were pretty young and had relatively clean records, while those who were hired tended to be of later age, 45 years and above.

It's probably only their way of testing to see whether we are really interested in Frontier or not. Then again, maybe we just suck at interviewing. Like I said, I went in mainly for the interview experience. A seasoned interview team will be readily able to spot the signs of an indifferent candidate.

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Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2635933)

Because some regional pilots might be considering applying there.

Why are you concerned about it being in the regional forum?

WHY!? Endeavor is paying a LOT more to new hires in the CRJ200 (and they pay for single occupant hotel during training too) Nobody should be going to Frontier for that pay.