Ties In The Workforce
 

Read an interesting article today about ties in the workplace and wonder if we will ever get to the point of not needing them. I mean sure, they look "professional" I suppose, whatever that means. However, more and more corporations are getting rid of the policy with some legal experts saying that it may be a form of discrimination.

Some are now saying that it may even be bad for your health.

Anyway, I am not harmed by wearing them but would love the option to ditch it, so any way to get it done is fine by me. lol

Article link for reference.
Here's why Lancaster's mayor wants workplaces to be necktie-optional

Female pilots can choose between ties AND those weird bow things. If anything, I feel discriminated against. Where’s my little bow thing?

Neck ties can lower blood flow to the brain...Jesus it’s not a noose. How tight are some of y’all making these things? 😂

I'll keep wearing them until polos are an option. White button down shirts look weird without ties.

Let’s just ruining this profession even more... let’s just wear shorts and t’s To work.

I would t mind having polos and slacks for a summer uniform to be honest and keep the shirt and ties with blazer for the winter.


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Dress codes change with time. How many office workers do you see showing up to work with a three piece suit and fedora every day?

Personally I think a clean technical fabric polo that keeps the user cool and sweat free looks more professional than someone doing a walk around in 110 degree heat in a hat, blazer, long sleeve shirt and black pants and coming into the cockpit sweaty and smelly.

This seems a little dramatic. Times change and so do conceptions of what appropriate work attire is.

Well, why not? :D

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If there’s any loosening of dress code I’d rather it be one that allows us (men) to sport a groomed/trimmed beard (one that allows an adequate O2 seal of course).

That would be fantastic but yet won’t happen due to the safety oriented nature of it. A tie doesn’t do anything, hell most come off after the door is shut anyway.

At my previous Part 91 gig flying turboprops, we were actually allowed to wear shorts, tennis shoes, and polo shirts (that we later removed once the door was closed) to fly! And we were allowed to have facial hair as long as it was "groomed." Those were the days...

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You never know when a tie might come in handy.;)

Tom, I like your style!

Second the nomination!!!

If you find a tie uncomfortable, you’re wearing it wrong.

The "adequate O2 seal" is a more of a myth and the AC where the FAA "studied" it is 30 years old. In Europe, beards are common with pilots, and for some reason, they don't have that problem.

If you want to wear polo shirts go work corporate. Everyone complains about the glamor of the job being gone yet the same people continue to want to dress the profession down (literally)

And it’s probably the same people who complain about headphones in the terminal.

You can blame the ****ing match between Delta and the FAA and the precedent it set on that rule never changing in the US.

https://www.ntsb.gov/legal/alj/OnODo...ation/4804.PDF


One airline in the US already went tie less. Not for much longer I assume with a certain merger.

Also, Guam-based United pilots don’t wear ties.

If you wanna wear slacks and a polo to work, Go find a office job. Or go get a clip on tie if your making them so tight. I like my uniform. Chicks dig a guy in uniform, not someone that looks like he just came out of a Silican valley tech office.

I don’t even notice the tie is there once I’ve tied it and put it on

I agree, if you're comfortable in dress clothes you shouldn't even notice wearing the tie.


I'm old fashioned. I like the tie, blazer, and (gasp!) even the hat in the winter. I think it makes us look professional and stand out.

In 121 world is it SOP to remove or loosen the tie once the door is closed?

Good god not the hat. I burned mine the moment it arrived.

On topic though I don’t really notice my tie much and when I do it’s mostly in the summer, still wouldn’t mind not having it though.

The argument that you need to be wearing a suit/button up/tie combination in order to look professional is a bit outdated in my opinion. You can find professionals in all fields that are moving away from that old standard.

Hell I am pretty sure Southwest pilots get a zip up coat now if they want it instead of the old, tired and dated suit jacket we get. I have yet to see anyone look “good” in our jacket. The person usually looks like they haven’t had it tailored or washed since the moment they received it. The sweaters look far more modern, clean, sharp and professional in my opinion.

Most loosen it, a few remove it. I don't care what you do once the door is closed, but I feel we should always look professional when facing the public.

I never understood blazers in July. I see it all the time and just don’t get it. Comfort > Image. Anyone that wears a blazer in the winter doesn’t understand summers in the south. The stank after a 10 hour day...good god.

I can’t believe we’re having this conversation. Like it’s a surprise that airlines have uniforms. The tie? Ok, I can kind of see the point of not liking it, but again. It’s no surprise. It’s been part of the uniform before any of us was born.
Believe or not there is a safety reason for having a uniform. In an emergency people will look for a crew member, especially the captain. They won’t be looking for someone in a NorthFace jacket, they will be looking for someone with 4 or 3 stripes. Pax, FAs, and emergency personnel. I remember a captain who had to do an emergency evacuation (gear collapse on roll out), telling me that as soon as he stepped off the plane pax started congregating to him. The second thing that happened was the head of the emergency response walked up to him and asked for the number of souls on board. He didn’t have to shout out “Where’s the captain???” And a tip. The captain grabbed the paperwork before evacuating, so he pulled out the load manifest and read off the pax count. He’s a smart dude but admitted to having a brain cramp.

Not sure anyone said to do away with a uniform that designated who the pilots are but rather that as times change so do the way we dress.

This is more of a thought discussion.

You do realize captains probably only spend a few minutes a day outside?

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply I like to wear a blazer in the summer. Yuck, it's way too hot for that. :)

Yes. I get some. Someone mentioned SWA going with fleece jackets. But they are still required to wear their pilot identification items (name tag and eplilates), on the jacket.
Also, some have advocated for a “business casual” look. So... who is the crew memeber and who is the pax in this case?

Hatters gonna hat, haters gonna hate

For clip-on ties, the FOM says yes.

You mean to tell me that captains never have to wait for the van/shuttle/limo sometimes? :rolleyes: Also I said IN the south. Walking to the car or from the employee shuttle is enough to make anyone say no thanks to a blazer in the summer. That's just insanity.

Way too hot. Anything south of the Mason-Dixon Line and you are going to boil alive in that thing.

noth sometimes too.

I remember the 5 hot days of the year when I was MSP based. :D

Ties with a short sleeve shirt look stupid, not professional. The uniform without the blazer looks like Al Bundy with epaulets

Well just like Southwest has to wear identification, sonwould any other airline that went that route. I’m sure some creative fashion designer could come up with something. I don’t think anyone has said business casual with no form of identification making them obviously crew members.

AA flight attendants are a smorgasbord of uniforms so consistency obviously isn’t deemed to important.

Your absolutely right! Im soooo gonna ditch my tie when when wearing my short sleeve in the summer. I would hate to be viewed as unprofessional :D

An airline pilot’s uniform should express his true, inner self, regardless of how others feel about it. :rolleyes:

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My personal favorites are the pilots whose ties, for whatever reason (gut, zipper tie too short, can’t tie a real tie correctly), only go down two-thirds from the collar to the belt buckle. Look like a bunch of cartoon characters walking around.