500/50 for Colgan
 

Oh boy, here we go!

I wonder if mins will be down to 300 TT/20 ME across the board by the end of the year...

Thats what happens when people realize how ****ty Colgan is, ...................hell let it be no multi, Im sure they will still be short

Saab, I'm tired. Could you just call yourself an idiot.

Fluboy are you with Colgan?

yeah yeah, little do you know, you have never been at another airline so you don't know what life could be like, me an idiot??????????????with all the airlines hiring and you hanging around that dump and Im the idiot?, 40 an hour as a CA, w/ no per diem, wow your right maybe Ill give chuck a call and see if I can get my job back

:D You crack me up dood ! I hope I get to be your F/O one day.....that will be a fun flight ;)

ahhhhhhhh well, with my luck, I will probably end up being your F/O, but, yeah good time for sure :)

With all these Commercial Multi mins coming to light, it seems Colgan's on the high end.

Thats because the COLGANS know that their airplanes break all the time, and if they have a slightly higer time pilot, they will have a better chance of getting on the ground than a 250, "Zero to Hero" wonder child:cool:

wow, the 600/100 at xjt is so much higher. Not everyone at CJC got the sh*t end of the stick like you saab. relax and hit another cold one bro

Hey Saab, despite your personal experiences, would you say that Colgan would be an OK starting point for someone that may not have other opportunities? I'm sure they could not be any worse than Mesa, right?

Also, you work for Express Jet now right? Do you know Brian McGee? He started with Colgan, and I hear he is at Express Jet now. He was my first instructor, I lost contact with him.

if you want a starting point, go to somewhere that doesnt have a training contract. everybody has low mins right now. Just pick the company that you can camp at comfortably for 3 or 4 yrs.

If you are having difficulty getting on with other carriers, sure go to COLGAN until you can leave, but if your just impatient, then no don't go just wait it out. I don't know any Brian, and the only nicer thing that MESA has is shiny................well they look like garbage, so I wont say shiny, but Ill say a jet. I will say Turbo-Props are a ton of fun, and that type of flying is great. The only reason why a jet is better, is because it pays more, when people tell you airlines prefer Jet, I wouldn't doubt it, but in reality it doesn't matter, PIC is PIC, just look at Southwest, they love Beech guys,.....................So to make a long story short, go where you want to go, BASE, QOL, but if you cant get onto to that one airline at first, go someplace where you can get valuable Turbine 121 experience

Summers coming, I go from Blue moon to Mojito's.............:D

Hahahaha, the high time guys get all the test flights.:D

Ya, I Am With Colgan. We All Can't Be Ass Cool As Saab Who Fly's A Jet. Whoooooooo!!!! I Know The Saab Is For Pilots With Skill. So, U Left. It's Ok, You Have Pilots With 600 Hrs Flying A Jet At 36,000, Who Can't Even Shoot A Ils Without The Fd. The Truth Hurts. You Can Talk All U Want About Colgan. We Are Going To Be Right Next Too You Soon At Newark.we Sure Look Foward To Having U On Are Flight's.

Was It Really Necessary To Capitalize Every Word Of Every Sentence.

At least Saab knows how to spell, are or our?? Secondly, the SAAB is not hard to fly. The only aspect of flying the SAAB that is difficult is the engine failure issues; negative autocoarsen. That aside, it's pretty much like flying any light twin.

Just got a call from my buddy who interviewed with Colgan and he took the job. 260TT and 130ME. I'm a little jealous that he doesn't have to instruct and I do, but I really want to get on with XJT. It is just gonna suck making nothing for the next 3 or 4 months. I have the same hours as he does and hopefully that is all the longer it will take me. Any opinions on getting a seniority number quickly or holding out a few months for somewhere you actually want to go?

Oh, and SAAB, how hard do you think it will be to get into LAX as a newbie? I don't know how many planes they are going to have out there, but I have been hearing it is not many. My instructor who got on with xjt said it would be easy to get into though.

:eek: Are you serious? Was he a CFI?

500TT and 50ME???? Who cares.:confused:

Probably not, sounds like an ALL ATPS wonder child :rolleyes:

I had lunch with a check airman/IP the other day and I asked him how the lower time guys have been doing during training. The majority of them are making it through but, many of them are requiring quite a few additional sim/IOE days.

KA is correct as far as being an ATP guy. He hadn't even finished his comm single or cfi single, but had his MEI as his initial when they hired him. He will have finished both by his class date though and he is a very good pilot and a great guy.

I cant believe how everyone makes a huge deal about the low times. Take advantage of it. Go get the excellent training the airlines offer earlier. Either sit in the right seat of a 152 doing crash and go's for a year building time or start your career. What would serve you better in the long run?


During WWII there were 18 year old kids flying 2000hp single seat taildraggers and heavy four engine bombers (in combat) with 250 hours. Time in type was usually around 50. These were people who didnt have anything to do with aviation at all, zero time to combat in 250 hours. Some had never driven a car. Sure they cracked up more often, but with todays engineering, engines, computers and systems in general.......

AAF Cadet requirements:
"If you were 17 years old, had graduated from high school and could, 1) pass a 2 year college equivlence test, 2) pass a flight physical, 3) pass a board oral examination by 3 officers you were accepted in to the Aviation Cadet program subject to call up upon reaching 18 years of age."

Are you serious?? I have an overwhelming urge to just kick you in the nuts:mad:

Military training is much more rigerous than civilian, heII even getting selected is difficult let alone the training.

Obviously not a CFI yourself, you don't understand how being a CFI is much more than crash and go's. Anyone here can attest that they would be scared shltless to fly with themselves when they only have 250 hours versus nearly the self that had 1000 hours. But hey, all they did were crash and go's so what could they have possibly learned. See above regarding the kicking and your crotch and such...

Not only did you completly miss the point, you ranted and flamed me for making a decent point. I see a lot of this on this board. When you want to debate, you have to try and calm your emotions and use adult vocabulary.


Allow me to make my point more clear: it is not impossible or irresponsible to think a young person with less then 1000 hours can be safe in the cockpit of an airline aircraft.

Also, with the military training, I was refering to World War Two. I made a point that people with "1940s training" went to war in extremly complex aircraft with very very low time. The selection process was very basic. the training was comprehensive for the time, but nothing campared to todays training.

Misunderstood you? You blatently stated that you didn't see what was so bad about hiring 250 hour wonders!

... I still want to kick you in the nuts

Do you like it at Colgan Kilo? (start the countdown for SAAB to jump in)

There are good days and bad days. Hopefully some of the some of the problems can be worked out by ALPA or the "Colgan Pilot
Group":rolleyes: . If you have any specific questions, PM me.

Ill tell you who cares and why people make a big deal about it. 1st the people in the back care because they are on that aircraft expecting a safe and efficient flight and expect that if something were to go wrong they have a competent crew. Airlines have OUTSTANDING training but you can't train ADM, thats something you learn over time. Time that should be spent in a small piston aircraft not a RJ with 50 people on board. Who is making a big deal captains that are expecting to have a FO that will have the guts and the understanding of when to speak up and save his ass when he is screwing up or missing something. Basicly 50 hours of SOLO PIC that these wonderkids have is not enough and the farthest they have traveled alone is what maybe 300 nm. Great you may take a job at your low time but guess what there are instructors and other pilots that will get hired a few months behind you and guess what they will get that captain upgrade before you because they meet the PIC requirement, have fun waiting for that waiver!

Ease up Cartman.

haha.. funny you should say that. As I was typing that line, I heard Cartman's voice in the back of my head saying those words. Maybe i should have spelled it "nyyuuuts" lol ;)

Im not a 250 hour wonder BTW. I really think it depends on the person, some 1200-2000 hour wonders arent exactly the brightest. The 250-500 hour people seem to be the exception thought, not the norm. Maybe they are actually decent pilots, or are a decent captains kid.

Here are a couple of things I've heard over the years:

"I've logged more hours standing in line at the Commissary than you have in the aircraft."

"What happens when you run out of altitude, airspeed, and experience all at the same time?"

Some more thoughts:
You cannot compare military training to ANYTHING. In civilian training, you are the consumer and can keep paying to play. Uncle Sugar gives you a couple of shots and then the door if you don't cut it.

I just watched a video filmed by the FO during the River vis at DCA. How about professionalism? Naah. Made a cool video. Can you imagine what the PAYING pax would think?

ADM comes with experience. Every license is a license to learn, but by the time a pilot gets to the front of a 121 aircraft, s/he should have had some time to learn a few lessons. Get them out of the "Killing Zone" before putting the on a transport cat aircraft.

Does anybody know who wrote that book called "The Killing Zone"? I read it a couple of years ago and would like to get a copy for myself. Pretty good book. The 250 hour guys that think being a cfi is a waste of time because you can go to a turboprop right now probably wouldn't agree.

Amazon has The Killing Zone. I bet the book is banned/burned at ATP's.

With today's engineering and technology......what, they'd still be dying but in a lot more expensive airplanes?

The attrition rate -- literally guys who died -- was ENORMOUS during WW2. On top of that, there were an incredible number of crashes and aircraft writeoffs with that group of inexperienced pilots.

Remember that with every one of those airplanes that a low-time pilot was flying, there weren't that many people to kill on board when they crashed it. At most, there were 10 guys in a B-17, and they were all GIs anyway. A tragedy if there was a crash and they all died, but it didn't make the front page of the newspaper because there were thousands more dieing overseas at the hands of the Axis.

Can you imagine if the regionals were losing one aircraft a month??? That kind of thing is COMPLETELY unacceptable in today's environment.

That is a totally apples-and-oranges argument...doesn't even remotely apply in the current zero-tolerance-for-bending-the-jet state of the industry.

...............:D Im going to the Nudie Bar, Cant get me down, and to the felloa who posted above, LAX, and SAT are super junior:D