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DarkSideMoon 10-23-2018 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2696387)
You can identify any way you like.

Hilarious.

Turbosina 10-23-2018 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2692207)
They don't seem to care about your personal problems. Like I said above it's not really fair. But they don't have to be fair. Too many people need to get that little fact of life into their heads... it will prevent disappointment and help you make rational decisions based on a rational world-view (as opposed to the everything is fair and everyone will get a trophy regardless world-view).

That said, whether you quit your job is up to you. Financially it would be worth it in the long run if you do DEC now vs. waiting years for upgrade... and I'm not talking about regional airline finances, I'm talking major airline pay down the road. I don't think one year makes a difference to recruiters, but five years might. It sure did for my generation... most of them are too old, too stale, no recent type ratings, going nowhere fast at M.074

M.074 might be a tad below ref speed even with all the barn doors hanging in the wind...

Paid2fly 10-23-2018 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2696345)
With all the **** I saw them put up with when I was in college and flight training, I’d still prefer to be a guy even if a hiring advantage exists.












:confused:




:confused:
Never saw anything they had to "put up with" in college or flight training...

rickair7777 10-23-2018 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2696567)
M.074 might be a tad below ref speed even with all the barn doors hanging in the wind...

https://i.imgur.com/Yxili9S.jpg

ninerdriver 10-24-2018 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 2696602)
:confused:




:confused:
Never saw anything they had to "put up with" in college or flight training...

Forget college and flight training - I'm a guy, and I see stuff women pilots put up with on the job.

A guy pilot calls a woman pilot a nice piece of @ss behind her back but within earshot. In a closed cockpit with just guys inside, a captain questions whether a woman pilot can make a decision because she's female. I've seen 'em both, and I'm only a little more than a year in.

I don't see these types of guys often. These guys exist, though, and I wouldn't want to be on the receiving side of what they're offering, whether it's overt or not.

DarkSideMoon 10-24-2018 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2696793)
Forget college and flight training - I'm a guy, and I see stuff women pilots put up with on the job.

A guy pilot calls a woman pilot a nice piece of @ss behind her back but within earshot. In a closed cockpit with just guys inside, a captain questions whether a woman pilot can make a decision because she's female. I've seen 'em both, and I'm only a little more than a year in.

I don't see these types of guys often. These guys exist, though, and I wouldn't want to be on the receiving side of what they're offering, whether it's overt or not.

Exactly. Back in the day we had a guy absolutely wreck an airplane being an idiot. Everyone was super concerned and made a bunch of excuses for him. A girl goes barely off the side of the runway because she forgot to straighten the nosewheel and it’s all “herr derr women pilots” for weeks. I like being able to show up at work and people assuming I earned the job. I can’t imagine how frustrating it is to show up every day with people assuming you only got there based on gender.

UNDGUY 10-30-2018 10:29 AM

DEC's
 
Other than Envoy, are there any other companies hiring direct entry captains now?

Jet Jockey 00 10-30-2018 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by UNDGUY (Post 2700036)
Other than Envoy, are there any other companies hiring direct entry captains now?

Piedmont is.

UNDGUY 10-30-2018 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Jet Jockey 00 (Post 2700068)
Piedmont is.

Sitting in the left seat and logging some TPIC would be nice, but not when my second year FO pay is the same as Piedmont's first year captain pay. The 44,000 dollar bonus might help with that though. Has their training delay been worked out at all? How much are the DEC's actually flying once they get on the line?

ArmyRWP2018 10-30-2018 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by UNDGUY (Post 2700109)
Sitting in the left seat and logging some TPIC would be nice, but not when my second year FO pay is the same as Piedmont's first year captain pay. The 44,000 dollar bonus might help with that though. Has their training delay been worked out at all? How much are the DEC's actually flying once they get on the line?

The two DEC hires in our October 8th INDOC class started Ground Systems 9 days after INDOC was complete. DECs are going to the front of the line at Piedmont. The pay you can Look up here at APC. Won’t comment on what I have not seen with my own eyes yet.


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