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Cyio 01-26-2019 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by GraceMonth (Post 2748966)
At Envoy, one of the stipulations put in place at the time flow began was to have been PIC for a minimum of two years before you could flow (assuming all other criteria were met). So it’s always been around at Envoy. Is this new to the other wholly owned?

This is incorrect at least as of now. Simply need to be a captain for 1 year and that only applies to captains after January 1st of this year.

GraceMonth 01-27-2019 03:37 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2750261)
This is incorrect at least as of now. Simply need to be a captain for 1 year and that only applies to captains after January 1st of this year.

That’s an improvement at least.

havick206 01-27-2019 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2750261)
This is incorrect at least as of now. Simply need to be a captain for 1 year and that only applies to captains after January 1st of this year.

Unless displaced to CA in case the 1 year flow lock doesn’t apply.

flysooner9 01-27-2019 05:14 AM

Unless your a direct entry captain, avoid the AA WO’s

havick206 01-27-2019 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2750810)
Unless your a direct entry captain, avoid the AA WO’s

Opposite advice for Envoy.

Gone Flying 01-27-2019 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 2747141)
With DFW as your goal, go with Envoy. The flow is a guaranteed (unless you screw up something bad).

As soon as you have a minimum number of hours, start applying to AA. In 2017, they hired 9% Civilian Off The Street. As their hiring increased in 2018, they hired 21% Civ OTS. Some of these were from the WOs, some from others. (24% direct Mil OTS and 55% Flows from Wholly Owned.)

if im not mistaken that 21%civ ots inclueds pilots who were in the military that flew a civ gig before going to AA. the numbers posted in another threaad were out of 990ish new hires in 2018 about 50 were non mil non WO.

AvrgPilot 02-01-2019 06:01 AM

Don't count out Endeavor, leading pay and arguably best QOL. Reserve time for me (new FO) is only three months since I finished training. DTW is a junior base for us as well, wouldn't be hard to hold a line there within a year. Good luck!

TheWeatherman 02-01-2019 07:14 AM

Look at the horrible pay and work rules with no end or new contract in sight. Is that worth flow to you? I don't know why it would unless you don't have a degree.

stabapch 02-01-2019 06:43 PM

Hop on the 10-year flow train to the land of mergers that leads to a world where no flow/WO will exist anymore well before that 10-year date.

If you choose to take the bait I would highly recommend expanding your resume/clearing any skeletons out and tossing in an app at any of the big 3 once you have the mins, wouldn’t bank on the flow like others choose to. No telling what will happen 1 year out in the regional world.

sflpilot 02-01-2019 08:18 PM

American has been using flow since the 90’s to dupe people in to B-scale operations.


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