AA warns Mesa
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/skift.com/2019/02/05/american-airlines-warns-one-of-its-regional-airlines-to-improve/amp/

AA warns Mesa to boost its performance, but doesn’t expect to pay anymore for a better product.

The Big 3 expect all regionals to be on par with mainline in performance, reliability and product. “The Big Three increasingly want passengers to see regional partners as an extension of their brands, both for reliability and onboard product.”

They expect regional pilots to be motivated and happy to be ‘extensions’ of their brand, with a salary of 1/3 of their mainline partners and treated like second class citizens for doing the same job.

This is a long-standing dynamic between DP and JO. Went through the same thing back in the Cactus days.

YV tries to get away with murder, DP reels them in occasionally. YV is probably too valuable as a (low) bar-setter and bogey-man for the other regionals to actually fire them. Cockroach analogy.

DP, JO, YV?

Anyone else get lost with all these damn acronyms? Is there a list out there that explains them?

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DP= Doug Parker, CEO of AAG, JO= John Ornstein, CEO of Mesa. YV= The IATA "code" for Mesa.

It's what the cook kids are doing these days. But seriously google DP and JO, and then see what turns up :cool:

Maybe not from a work machine though...or in a public space.

Dp is a jo.

The Big 3 are insane for thinking we should be happy to operate their flights for 1/3 the pay.

Oh you will and you will like it. Also ask for more and say please.

If you don’t like it, why don’t you work for main line instead?

Questions for you sir. Are you even flying P121 yet? Prior military? If so you have a lot to learn about the airline business. It’s a totally different world then military flying. This isn’t a bash/ or mil/civ flying background deal.

I am sure you are familiar with these sayings. Stay in your lane and shut up and color. I heard them a lot myself.

HA you ain’t serious.

Sounds like the 60 yr old mainline captain not understanding why people “choose” to work for regionals. I was asked this question by three separate mainline guys. Sir, I “chose” to work here so you can collect that 6 figure salary....

Then, the more in-tune with reality mainline guys will tell ya it’s just a “stepping-stone.” If that we’re the case, we would see a lot of consistency. But, we have 3-4 yr RJ FO’s going to legacies, military guys with zero 121, 10 yr RJ CA’s, etc.... that’s not consistent, it’s not a stepping stone, it’s luck of the draw.

Can’t put all the blame on the big executives for this model though, we can thank ALPA as well.

I love my job, but this industry is hilarious at times.

Did you volunteer to fly in the military?

He’s saying “they expect us to be happy at 1/3 the pay”

No, they’re expecting you to do the job you voluntarily signed up for. If you don’t like it, find something else.

Military guys are just “lucky” right? It’s not fair. Well, go spend 10-20 years in the military yourself and then say that. I don’t see a lot of the guys who complain about pay volunteering for high paying contracting jobs flying a king air for 6 months in Afghanistan either. Winners make their own luck. Losers complain and blame.

How would you know?

He’s saying “they expect us to be happy at 1/3 the pay”

No, they’re expecting you to do the job you voluntarily signed up for. If you don’t like it, find something else.

Military guys are just “lucky” right? It’s not fair. Well, go spend 10-20 years in the military yourself and then say that. I don’t see a lot of the guys who complain about pay volunteering for high paying contracting jobs flying a king air for 6 months in Afghanistan either.
“I can’t do that because...”. Ok- well, what are you expecting, a handout?

A yes. A new internet tough guy. Thinks that just anyone can "volunteer to fly for the military." You're a clown.

And while rudder and stick skills are fine, I know plenty of military pilots who have been fired for attitudes, violated for not paying attention and get themselves so mentally jacked up at an airport with more than one runway that they actually quit doing radios.

Literally anyone can volunteer

Your point being? These guys are complaining that they aren’t getting their shot and point to military pilots as an example to back up their complaint.

Nobody’s complaining about anything military here... Since when did this become a discussion about military pilots?

To me it sounds like either 1) you were denied acceptance into a military flight slot or 2) you were you a former military pilot still waiting year by year for that call from a legacy because you’re too ‘above’ regional flying. Either way, somebody hit a high string.

Judging by your responses, you definitely are clueless on how the 121 industry works though.

Yeah, so unfair for military pilots

Let’s see you don’t get shot at in the 121 world for beginners or yank/bank the plane. The point I was trying to make us you are new to this type of flying.

Don’t come into the 121 world with “I am a mil pilot” attitude. It will get you nowhere and don’t think you are just here th check a box. There are plenty of mil pilots who are still at a regional after a year or two.

Remember aviation is an extremely small community.

Here's the deal... that's a super loaded question at any regional. A lot of folks have tried. For whatever reason, it didn't happen, and it's not necessarily because they lack the qualities of a good mainline pilot.

If you asked the question innocently, then fine, that's an honest mistake. You're clearly military, and some folks are going to take that question as you having "that military attitude." If you keep pushing back, then that image will be reinforced, correct or not.

If you asked the question to get under someone's skin, then that's not cool at all. That's a good way to isolate yourself, particularly if you carry that attitude to the line. Isolated is not an optimal state in a career where networking can go a long way.

If you’re gonna quote me, don’t cut it up to make it fit your argument.....

***DON’T FEED THE TROLL***

Many pilots at the regionals “volunteered” for service... This is a small community, sure hope you don’t find yourself on the raw end of a deal with that attitude...

From our class of 31, we had 4 checking event failures, all of them were military guys.
They won't be at a major in anywhere near 1-2 years.

That actually sounds like there might be a CKA or two with a bias against military pilots. Checking events are supposed to be completely impartial, but human nature is what it is. There will always be certain individuals with a chip on their shoulder.

^^^^ this and they weren’t all multi-zippered sun gods

The attitude adjustment should come from the posters here who think military pilots are lucky, or that it's unfair they get hired straight to major airlines with no regional experience. They act like military pilots haven't paid their dues, and are getting a hand-out.

My response to that attitude is, you go try it yourself and see how easy it is. 1) They signed up for it. 2) They qualified to fly 3) passed, and 4) had a successful time thereafter. If you didn't, then don't complain about the people who did. If it's such an easy route, why not do it yourself instead of complaining about it?

"I had # of failures in my class, and they were all military!" Do you think maybe there's a reason they're training at a regional airline? Why don't you include all the guys across the industry, not just your anecdotal experience from a regional. Do all the military guys at Fedex, UPS Southwest, American, Delta, and United fail their training too?

"You have an attitude problem" Why, because I'm pointing out the loser mindset that complains about how "they think we should be happy to work for 1/3 the pay" and that "it's luck of the draw!"

I commonly see a person complaining about their low pay, or that they can't get hired by a major due to bad luck, and then in another thread they brag about how they "Get paid to not fly LOL" or "I only work 10 days per month at my regional LOL #pilotLife" . It's hypocritical, and that person thinks they deserve to do the same thing at at a major airline pay scale. Good luck with that attitude!

this guy is a troll right? Can we all agree to that and keep talking about Mesa.

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Troll/tool...

Half of the current main liners wouldn't be there if we had a national seniority list. They would be doing something else if their exceptional sponsorship couldn't apply. Its largely a "golden boys" club.

I remember constantly flying into DFW and being on-time. However the rampers would do their best to drag their feet, wing walker would disappear, or purposely turn their backs to us until that A+15 min mark passed. GAs would always point the departure delays on the crew, yet never tell us so. It was a constant problem at that base, not sure if it ever improved?

Nope, not really.

That seems to be the current problem with DGS at many big airports nowadays, especially in DTW and MSP. Sometimes they're standing in position as you taxi toward the gate, then as you're turning on to the gate line, suddenly they huddle up to "brief". I don't know why they don't point and say "You walk that wing and you walk the other wing". Nothing will improve until they start holding those idiots accountable for playing stupid games and not doing the job they were hired to do.

“You go long, I’ll fake it to you.”

The majority of rampers at major airports are understaffed. Yes, just like in any other job, including pilots, there are lazy people out there as well. But, I sure wouldn’t generalize. Most of these guys are literally running from gate to gate with no chance to catch a breath. Sucks for us, but you can only play the cards you’re dealt.

Understaffed and underpaid.

You need to define who they were. Were they Army rotor guys or AF fighter guys. I know at my airline when they hired nearly 100% military checkride failures were non existent and someone who needed a extra sim caused lots of discussion. That has changed quite a bit with the new hiring norm. Major airlines track how their new hires perform and bias hiring based on that info.