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Ellen 04-27-2007 08:27 AM

The Hottest Jobs In America
 
The Hottest Jobs (No College Degree Required)

Sales representatives
High turnover and new products equal demand: $42,000-$114,000

Translators
The need is expected to grow 26% by 2014: $43,000-$100,000

Insurance adjusters
These jobs aren’t easily outsourced or replaced by technology: $34,000-$75,000

Transportation workers
Rail and trucking companies can’t meet the demand: $28,000-$53,000

Personal trainers
A growth business, due to the spread of health clubs: $23,000-$55,000

Auto technicians
Today’s computerized engines require specialized training: $27,000-$40,000

Legal secretaries
Experts predict 47,000 new openings by 2014: $35,900-$60,000


The Hottest Jobs (For College Grads)

Forensic accountant
Combines accounting, auditing and investigative skills: $30,000-$150,000

Logistics manager
Plan, implement and control flow of goods or services: $35,000-$118,000

Corporate librarian
More companies need specialists to manage information: $37,000-$93,000

Emerging media specialist
Managers in Web content and online marketing need communication skills and tech savvy: $26,500-$100,000

Physical therapist
Aging baby boomers will drive the increasing need: $34,600-$74,000

Information security
Workers plan, implement and support network security: $47,000-$122,000


Source: Challenger, Gray & Christmas Inc., with data provided by the Bureau of Labor Statistics and industry sources


What’s Your Weekly Salary?

Here’s a sampling of jobs and their median weekly pay nationwide. See how you fit in.

Petroleum engineer: $1,891 ($98,332)

Veterinarian: $1,160 ($60,320)

Computer programmer: $1,130 ($58,760)

Registered nurse: $901 ($46,852)

Firefighter: $898 ($46,696)

Occupational therapist: $882 ($45,864)

Clergy: $774 ($40,248)

Social worker: $706 ($36,712)

Corrections officer: $610 ($31,720)

Dietitian: $555 ($28,860)

Taxi driver: $461 ($23,972)

Poverty Threshold $381 ($19,806)

1st Year Regional Airline Pilot $366 ($19,019)

Bartender: $342 ($17,778)

Telemarketer: $303 ($15,756)

Dishwasher: $245 ($12,740)

Child-care worker: $228 ($11,856)

Ellen 04-27-2007 08:49 AM

I have a girlfriend (single mom) who, in addition to her normal job, works at a Gentlemans Club three nights a week. She takes home on average $600 a night. On one specific night she took home $9,300.

Sort of makes you wonder.

JoeyMeatballs 04-27-2007 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 156264)
I have a girlfriend (single mom) who, in addition to her normal job, works at a Gentlemans Club three nights a week. She takes home on average $600 a night. On one specific night she took home $9,300.

Sort of makes you wonder.

So she is a *****, just like MESA :)

Ftrooppilot 04-27-2007 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 156245)
The Hottest Jobs (No College Degree Required)

Sales representatives
High turnover and new products equal demand: $42,000-$114,000

Translators
The need is expected to grow 26% by 2014: $43,000-$100,000

Insurance adjusters
These jobs aren’t easily outsourced or replaced by technology: $34,000-$75,000

Transportation workers
Rail and trucking companies can’t meet the demand: $28,000-$53,000

Personal trainers
A growth business, due to the spread of health clubs: $23,000-$55,000

Auto technicians
Today’s computerized engines require specialized training: $27,000-$40,000

Legal secretaries
Experts predict 47,000 new openings by 2014: $35,900-$60,000


The Hottest Jobs (For College Grads)

Forensic accountant
Combines accounting, auditing and investigative skills: $30,000-$150,000

Logistics manager
Plan, implement and control flow of goods or services: $35,000-$118,000

Corporate librarian
More companies need specialists to manage information: $37,000-$93,000

Emerging media specialist
Managers in Web content and online marketing need communication skills and tech savvy: $26,500-$100,000

Physical therapist
Aging baby boomers will drive the increasing need: $34,600-$74,000

Information security
Workers plan, implement and support network security: $47,000-$122,000


Source: Challenger, Gray & Christmas Inc., with data provided by the Bureau of Labor Statistics and industry sources


What’s Your Weekly Salary?

Here’s a sampling of jobs and their median weekly pay nationwide. See how you fit in.

Petroleum engineer: $1,891 ($98,332)

Veterinarian: $1,160 ($60,320)

Computer programmer: $1,130 ($58,760)

Registered nurse: $901 ($46,852)

Firefighter: $898 ($46,696)

Occupational therapist: $882 ($45,864)

Clergy: $774 ($40,248)

Social worker: $706 ($36,712)

Corrections officer: $610 ($31,720)

Dietitian: $555 ($28,860)

Taxi driver: $461 ($23,972)

Poverty Threshold $381 ($19,806)

1st Year Regional Airline Pilot $366 ($19,019)

Bartender: $342 ($17,778)

Telemarketer: $303 ($15,756)

Dishwasher: $245 ($12,740)

Child-care worker: $228 ($11,856)

Ellen - Great post. How many research assistants do you have ?

shanejj 04-27-2007 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 156264)
I have a girlfriend (single mom) who, in addition to her normal job, works at a Gentlemans Club three nights a week. She takes home on average $600 a night. On one specific night she took home $9,300.

Sort of makes you wonder.

Wonder of that specific night?
Not really...:D

shanejj 04-27-2007 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot (Post 156271)
Ellen - Great post. How many research assistants do you have ?

The whole msn.com team:p

KingAirPIC 04-27-2007 08:55 AM

I wish my girlfriend made that much...

shanejj 04-27-2007 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by KingAirPIC (Post 156274)
I wish my girlfriend made that much...

I don't think I'd want a gf working in a "gentlemen's" club making $10k on specific nights.....;)
Now a certain friend...now that's another story:D

JoeyMeatballs 04-27-2007 08:58 AM

My g/f makes more than any of our CA's and she only gets naked and dances on poles for me :)

VTcharter 04-27-2007 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 156245)
The Hottest Jobs (No College Degree Required)

Transportation workers
Rail and trucking companies can’t meet the demand: $28,000-$53,000

Auto technicians
Today’s computerized engines require specialized training: $27,000-$40,000

Bartender: $342 ($17,778)

These numbers are a bit low. I am speaking of actual experience, as I have held each one of these jobs in a full time status at one time or another. Obviously, I understand that these are averaged numbers, and it will vary by region, but this is what I made while employed in theses positions.

Bulk Fuel Tanker (Semi) Driver - 72,000 per year, full benefits to include 100% 401k match up to 6 percent of pay, company paid insurance for family, and 5000 dollar yearly bonus paid December 1st. Home every day, rotating bi-weekly schedule: Sunday through Thursday week one / Sunday through Wednesday week two. (three day weekend every other week)

Auto Technician (new car dealership) - 48,000 Per year, plus one car per year at invoice. I was the lowest paid at the company as I was only there a short time. I know of people at high end dealerships making SUBSTANTIALLY more.

Bartender - I worked four nights per week, Wednesday though Saturday 5:00p.m. - 1:00 a.m, and easily brought home 1100.00 in cash per week, not including the rather small paycheck. 57,200 per year, and by far the most enjoyable job I have ever had.

Ellen 04-27-2007 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 156270)
So she is a *****, just like MESA :)

Since you don't know her or her character, I will pretend I didn't read that comment.

All I am saying is that she supplements her income the best way she knows how based on her current circumstances. And since you are unaware of those circumstances (and I am) I think she is doing a hell of a job.

I'm sure her children will appreciate, when they can fully understand, all she is doing to provide them with the best home life, schooling, and opportunities possible.

Ellen 04-27-2007 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot (Post 156271)
Ellen - Great post. How many research assistants do you have ?

You assume I have some . . . .

shanejj 04-27-2007 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 156278)
Since you don't know her or her character, I will pretend I didn't read that comment.

All I am saying is that she supplements her income the best way she knows how based on her current circumstances. And since you are unaware of those circumstances (and I am) I think she is doing a hell of a job.

I'm sure her children will appreciate, when they can fully understand, all she is doing to provide them with the best home life, schooling, and opportunities possible.


I completely disagree, Ellen....
Even if the going gets though....does that mean go out and sell your body?
I'm sure her kids appreciate it now, but if they come to find this out let's say, 10 years from now.....what then :-/

Fly IFR 04-27-2007 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 156276)
My g/f makes more than any of our CA's and she only gets naked and dances on poles for me :)

Hahaha be thankful my friend.

Ellen 04-27-2007 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 156282)
I completely disagree, Ellen....
Even if the going gets though....does that mean go out and sell your body?
I'm sure her kids appreciate it now, but if they come to find this out let's say, 10 years from now.....what then :-/

You can disagree all you want. (You'll know soon enough working at PSA what tough is)

Besides, where did I ever say she was selling her body? I never did say what she does there. She could waitress, bartend, manage, etc. . .

It's easy to see how many of you jumped to conclusions that she is a dancer based on two words (Gentleman's Club). In fact, many of you jump to all sorts of conclusions based upon your responses to the variety of posts in the threads on this site.

This is the primary reason why I think a DEGREE and EXPERIENCE (wisdom) is important as an airline pilot. THIS is why LOW TIME pilots should not be in the cockpit of a commercial airplane. Could you imagine if these pilots jumped to a conclusion regarding the operating safety of an aircraft with people in the back? I can imagine it, and it's quite frightening.

My suggestion is that before many of you regurgitate your thoughts, that you might want to pause a minute or two and think about what you are going to say. You would do yourself a service by sticking your foot in your mouth in private vs. in front of everyone. However, you wouldn't learn about humility that way.

bluebravo 04-27-2007 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 156300)
You can disagree all you want. (You'll know soon enough working at PSA what tough is)

Besides, where did I ever say she was selling her body? I never did say what she does there. She could waitress, bartend, manage, etc. . .

It's easy to see how many of you jumped to conclusions that she is a dancer based on two words (Gentleman's Club). In fact, many of you jump to all sorts of conclusions based upon your responses to the variety of posts in the threads on this site.

This is the primary reason why I think a DEGREE and EXPERIENCE (wisdom) is important as an airline pilot. THIS is why LOW TIME pilots should not be in the cockpit of a commercial airplane. Could you imagine if these pilots jumped to a conclusion regarding the operating safety of an aircraft with people in the back? I can imagine it, and it's quite frightening.

My suggestion is that before many of you regurgitate your thoughts, that you might want to pause a minute or two and think about what you are going to say. You would do yourself a service by sticking your foot in your mouth in private vs. in front of everyone. However, you wouldn't learn about humility that way.



.......................damn

wannabepilot 04-27-2007 10:11 AM

Ellen is a psychologist/sociologist, or has a psychology/sociology degree. No doubt.

shanejj 04-27-2007 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 156300)
You can disagree all you want. (You'll know soon enough working at PSA what tough is)

Besides, where did I ever say she was selling her body? I never did say what she does there. She could waitress, bartend, manage, etc. . .

It's easy to see how many of you jumped to conclusions that she is a dancer based on two words (Gentleman's Club). In fact, many of you jump to all sorts of conclusions based upon your responses to the variety of posts in the threads on this site.

This is the primary reason why I think a DEGREE and EXPERIENCE (wisdom) is important as an airline pilot. THIS is why LOW TIME pilots should not be in the cockpit of a commercial airplane. Could you imagine if these pilots jumped to a conclusion regarding the operating safety of an aircraft with people in the back? I can imagine it, and it's quite frightening.

My suggestion is that before many of you regurgitate your thoughts, that you might want to pause a minute or two and think about what you are going to say. You would do yourself a service by sticking your foot in your mouth in private vs. in front of everyone. However, you wouldn't learn about humility that way.

Sure...make $10k a night as a waitress.....
I know the difference between tv and real life....
Someone making that kind of cash in one night is only one LOGICAL explanation.
Why aren't waiters at the top of your list?!
Stop fooling yourself and just admit what your friend really is.
I'm not trying to be an @sshole here, but it's pretty obvious to the world if a WOMAN makes $10k a night at a gentlemen's club.
It makes sense...
Avg. 100 men in the club....$100 a pop...sure...$10k right there for ya, Ellen...
And this is why low time pilots arent allowed in the cockpit of an airliner?
Because we know what's real and what's not?
I don't even know what or where you fly, Ellen....but if you think your friend is making that kind of money waiting tables, bartending, w/e....then you need to resign....fast....and go out there and broaden your horizons...:D

EEked Out 04-27-2007 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by VTcharter (Post 156277)
These numbers are a bit low. I am speaking of actual experience, as I have held each one of these jobs in a full time status at one time or another. Obviously, I understand that these are averaged numbers, and it will vary by region, but this is what I made while employed in theses positions.

Bulk Fuel Tanker (Semi) Driver - 72,000 per year, full benefits to include 100% 401k match up to 6 percent of pay, company paid insurance for family, and 5000 dollar yearly bonus paid December 1st. Home every day, rotating bi-weekly schedule: Sunday through Thursday week one / Sunday through Wednesday week two. (three day weekend every other week)

Auto Technician (new car dealership) - 48,000 Per year, plus one car per year at invoice. I was the lowest paid at the company as I was only there a short time. I know of people at high end dealerships making SUBSTANTIALLY more.

Bartender - I worked four nights per week, Wednesday though Saturday 5:00p.m. - 1:00 a.m, and easily brought home 1100.00 in cash per week, not including the rather small paycheck. 57,200 per year, and by far the most enjoyable job I have ever had.

I know at a local Dodge Dealership the top techs are in the 110,000 - 160,000 dollar range.

Ellen 04-27-2007 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 156324)
Sure...make $10k a night as a waitress.....
I know the difference between tv and real life....
Someone making that kind of cash in one night is only one LOGICAL explanation.
Why aren't waiters at the top of your list?!
Stop fooling yourself and just admit what your friend really is.
I'm not trying to be an @sshole here, but it's pretty obvious to the world if a WOMAN makes $10k a night at a gentlemen's club.
It makes sense...
Avg. 100 men in the club....$100 a pop...sure...$10k right there for ya, Ellen...
And this is why low time pilots arent allowed in the cockpit of an airliner?
Because we know what's real and what's not?
I don't even know what or where you fly, Ellen....but if you think your friend is making that kind of money waiting tables, bartending, w/e....then you need to resign....fast....and go out there and broaden your horizons...:D


It seems your ego and mouth are bigger than your pocketbook. Jealous? A tad bit I believe. Not a good combination in the cockpit of an aircraft.

What? A 100 men x $100.00 (On who's budget? A regional airline pilot's working at PSA???? Maybe). How about 10 men @ $1,000? or 1 female @ $10,000? or a combination of 5 men and women @ $2,000? or et el?

It doesn't make a difference. People spend money for many reasons, and the amount they feel comfortable spending depends upon where they are located on the economic ladder. For you, $100 is a lot. For others, it's probably the amount that gets accidently sent through the wash in their pants pockets.

In addition, I'm sure all the women out there will take offense to your sexist comment that there is only one (1) thing a woman can do to earn $10,000 a night. In addition, I never said she was working weekends either.

Hopefully you'll tone down your attitude a bit as you progress through 121 training. Remember, you don't want to wash out, or you'll be black balled for at least 5 years.

Ellen 04-27-2007 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by EEked Out (Post 156353)
I know at a local Dodge Dealership the top techs are in the 110,000 - 160,000 dollar range.

And they still can't fix a car properly. . . .

SkyHigh 04-27-2007 12:01 PM

Kids
 

Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 156282)
I completely disagree, Ellen....
Even if the going gets though....does that mean go out and sell your body?
I'm sure her kids appreciate it now, but if they come to find this out let's say, 10 years from now.....what then :-/

What do you think kids would say if they knew that they were poor because their short sighted parent choose a career as a pilot?

SkyHigh

JoeyMeatballs 04-27-2007 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by EEked Out (Post 156353)
I know at a local Dodge Dealership the top techs are in the 110,000 - 160,000 dollar range.

I find that very very very difficult to believe

Mesabah 04-27-2007 12:02 PM

When I was working as a plummer, I was earning up to $1200 a day. That's more than I ever made as a pilot or as an engineer(college degree in). It all depends upon what you are willing to do, whether it be to take off your clothes, or send thousands of people to their death like a war profiteer(Dick Cheaney).

JoeyMeatballs 04-27-2007 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 156366)
What do you think kids would say if they knew that they were poor because their short sighted parent choose a career as a pilot?

SkyHigh


Yeah those guys at SWA, FedEx, and UPS, not to mention those who didnt get furloughed at DAL, and American they are all very very poor

Ellen 04-27-2007 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 156324)
then you need to resign....fast....and go out there and broaden your horizons...:D


As far as broadening my horizons go . . . Let's just say I could beat you pretty handily in Jeopardy. I'll leave it at that.

172capt 04-27-2007 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 156278)
I'm sure her children will appreciate, when they can fully understand.


And so will her kids friends!!!

SkyHigh 04-27-2007 12:18 PM

Rest assured
 

Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 156369)
Yeah those guys at SWA, FedEx, and UPS, not to mention those who didnt get furloughed at DAL, and American they are all very very poor

Lets not forget the guys at UAL, DAL, NWA, AA and all the rest who either had their pay halved or were laid off all together. We still are waiting for the coming blood bath when one or more of those companies tips for good.

Just a few years ago it was considered impossible to think of UAL going into BK protection. Rest assured no one is safe in this industry.

SKyHigh

captchris 04-27-2007 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by VTcharter (Post 156277)
Bulk Fuel Tanker (Semi) Driver - 72,000 per year, full benefits to include 100% 401k match up to 6 percent of pay, company paid insurance for family, and 5000 dollar yearly bonus paid December 1st. Home every day, rotating bi-weekly schedule: Sunday through Thursday week one / Sunday through Wednesday week two. (three day weekend every other week)

Where do I sign up?

JoeyMeatballs 04-27-2007 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 156377)
Lets not forget the guys at UAL, DAL, NWA, AA and all the rest who either had their pay halved or were laid off all together. We still are waiting for the coming blood bath when one or more of those companies tips for good.

Just a few years ago it was considered impossible to think of UAL going into BK protection. Rest assured no one is safe in this industry.

SKyHigh

No One is safe in Any industry...................

SkyHigh 04-27-2007 12:31 PM

True
 

Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 156381)
No One is safe in Any industry...................

True, but few are as worthless as an unemployed airline pilot.

My brother gets laid off every few years but his experiences help him to get more pay and a better job each time. Pilots have to start over as if they are a 20 year old new hire again.

Also aviation is especially weak. Even you must be able to admit that.

SkyHigh

VTcharter 04-27-2007 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by captchris (Post 156380)
Where do I sign up?

Phoenix, AZ. Great job with a great company. Hard job to get though, as they generally don't have many leave, and when they do, they have people referred through word of mouth as replacements. I've only seen them advertise for drivers once...when I got hired. Just happened to add three more trucks and had two people leave, so they needed a couple of people quickly. If you are serious I will give you a contact, although they require a few years of tanker experience and a clean, and I mean CLEAN, three year driving record.

shanejj 04-27-2007 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 156361)
It seems your ego and mouth are bigger than your pocketbook. Jealous? A tad bit I believe. Not a good combination in the cockpit of an aircraft.


What? A 100 men x $100.00 (On who's budget? A regional airline pilot's working at PSA???? Maybe). How about 10 men @ $1,000? or 1 female @ $10,000? or a combination of 5 men and women @ $2,000? or et el?


It doesn't make a difference. People spend money for many reasons, and the amount they feel comfortable spending depends upon where they are located on the economic ladder. For you, $100 is a lot. For others, it's probably the amount that gets accidently sent through the wash in their pants pockets.

In addition, I'm sure all the women out there will take offense to your sexist comment that there is only one (1) thing a woman can do to earn $10,000 a night. In addition, I never said she was working weekends either.

Hopefully you'll tone down your attitude a bit as you progress through 121 training. Remember, you don't want to wash out, or you'll be black balled for at least 5 years.


Jealous of who? I got an airline job with 400hrs...why would I be jealous of anyone/anything....If anything...you should be jealous of me that I got in and the sexists at the interview didn't want you....
And are you seriously describing to me here how to price women at the wh0rehouse? How would you want me to think differently now...real smart..
And not just women...anyone making $10K a night....if it's not gambling.....certainly can't be anything legal...
And you can go out and ask a few women if they would take offense to my comment....I'm pretty sure the same thoughts would cross their minds....
I think only YOU took offense to it at this moment because she is your friend...obviously...I would too....
Only tells me that it has something to do on right track as my thoughts were

Hopefully my attitude will change otherwise I will fail training and be blackballed?
Maybe you should spent less times copy and pasting articles and go out there
and actually get blackballed:D

shanejj 04-27-2007 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 156366)
What do you think kids would say if they knew that they were poor because their short sighted parent choose a career as a pilot?

SkyHigh


You say it as if my kids would be sad and ashamed they were poor....
If you're a parent....your kids must be so proud:rolleyes:

shanejj 04-27-2007 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 156371)
As far as broadening my horizons go . . . Let's just say I could beat you pretty handily in Jeopardy. I'll leave it at that.

O my god, ofcourse Ellen...how could I
Here's your medal for beating me

SkyHigh 04-27-2007 04:02 PM

My kids
 

Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 156449)
You say it as if my kids would be sad and ashamed they were poor....
If you're a parent....your kids must be so proud:rolleyes:

My kids really couldn't care what I did for a living. However, they are happy that they have a nice place to grow up, good home, health insurance, safe vehicles to ride in. I couldn't have provided half as good of a life as a pilot and I am home with my family everyday. Kids really like it when their parents have a stable life and are not gone half the time.

SkyHigh

shanejj 04-27-2007 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 156468)
My kids really couldn't care what I did for a living. However, they are happy that they have a nice place to grow up, good home, health insurance, safe vehicles to ride in. I couldn't have provided half as good of a life as a pilot and I am home with my family everyday. Kids really like it when their parents have a stable life and are not gone half the time.

SkyHigh


safe vehicles to ride in....first laugh I got for the last hour....
That was just funny the way you fitted it in there...

But you're right....
Being a pilot and always gone is not good for children growing up...
however....
a nice place to grow up....health insurance...good schools....are we beginning an old discussion again?

People with NO money can be as happy/sad as people with ALL the money...
Money def. makes a difference....but emotionally it does not...
And you know that, skyhigh...;)

SkyHigh 04-27-2007 04:11 PM

Sure
 

Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 156472)
safe vehicles to ride in....first laugh I got for the last hour....
That was just funny the way you fitted it in there...

But you're right....
Being a pilot and always gone is not good for children growing up...
however....
a nice place to grow up....health insurance...good schools....are we beginning an old discussion again?

People with NO money can be as happy/sad as people with ALL the money...
Money def. makes a difference....but emotionally it does not...
And you know that, skyhigh...;)


Spoken like in idealistic 19 year old. I use to say things like that too. Its OK you will mature eventually.

SkyHigh

shanejj 04-27-2007 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 156476)
Spoken like in idealistic 19 year old. I use to say things like that too. Its OK you will mature eventually.

SkyHigh

Ofcourse...
But I do have a bit better judgement...as I never started smoking (and you say you miss it after 18yrs:confused: )
When you were my age, you wouldn't even dream of sitting on the cockpit of an airliner...
Is this why you're against it?:D

SkyHigh 04-27-2007 04:15 PM

Yes
 

Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 156479)
Ofcourse...
But I do have a bit better judgement...as I never started smoking (and you say you miss it after 18yrs:confused: )
When you were my age, you wouldn't even dream of sitting on the cockpit of an airliner...
Is this why you're against it?:D

I took my first lesson at 14 and threw everything I had into the effort. As with smoking there were many foolish things I did when I was younger. Sometimes it takes time to sort out one self.

SkyHigh


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