Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2817839)

Compass will be losing the AA flying. This will result in increased upgrade times. Envoy has a lower QOL but you will upgrade sooner, and have flow in your back pocket.
Another consideration as a commuter is travel benefits. As an Envoy pilot you have the same travel benefits as an AA pilot, including non-rev priority on all AA/AE branded flights over offline jumpseaters and non-revs. The AA travel benefits will also allow you up to 13 friends on your travel list in addition to the immediate family. The immediate family will also come before offline jumpseaters and non-revs.
If AA is on your target list, your time at Envoy will also count towards earning lifetime AA travel benefits... you can’t get lifetime travel on a mainline from subcontractors.
Then there’s the whole “all regionals are not alike” thing... which unless you’ve worked at more than one, or specifically gone on a side by side comparison may not be so obvious, but is definitely true. At some regionals you’ll be doing manual W&B for each flight, and at others they’ve been doing EWBS and ACARS for TOLD data for decades already. You’re also hitting at a time when the shortage is expected to draw the flying back into the mainline and their wholly owned regionals. Keeping the flying in house will keep the upgrades moving and the new hires coming to where the movement is.
Do your research carefully in this emerging market.

Originally Posted by Viking6 (Post 2821179)

Just know you will pay for the flow with lost QOL.

Originally Posted by Taco280AI (Post 2821249)

I like it here at CP, but that 3 years is misleading. A lot of CAs I fly with came from other regionals, so it's not like they are moving up to mainline after 3 years of first getting into 121 flying. Many are here 3 years after already doing 2-4 years elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2821349)

All true but not necessarily dissimilar to other regionals where a number of people either got trapped or had to start over during the ‘lost decade.’ The point is, I got in, got my type rating, have spent less than two weeks on reserve, and am looking at an upgrade in less than 18 months from showing up for Indoc.



At the other places Where I was offered CJOs I would have been on reserve for at least four and as much as eight months with minimal flying before getting a line at all. I would have then waited at least 24 months -possibly a lot longer - to get the opportunity TO upgrade. The reason is that the captains in those regionals aren’t leaving very fast. That alone holds upgrade opportunities up for every FO. So it really doesn’t matter WHY people Senior to me are leaving at the rate of 20 per month, the simple fact that they ARE leaving opens up opportunities to all the junior people.



You might question whether future Compass Captains will be as successful at moving on as current ones, I suppose, since for most Compass FOs this is their first and only 121 experience and they are becoming captains rather quickly, only time will tell, but with record retirements coming up, even the majors are going to be dipping deeper into the barrel when it comes to total time, but at least these people will get their 1000 TPIC fairly quickly.



But right now if your career progression depends upon a senior captain leaving who isn’t even TRYING to get out, because his pay ain’t bad, he’s getting good schedules, and - what the H€||, he’ll flow in a couple of years anyway... - well, good luck with that.

Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2823335)

You’re talking about a very minuscule amount of the Eagle lifers. We have motivated Captains trying to get out and they also get to Delta, United, Spirit, etc that provide movement ON TOP of the flow. I’ve moved up 700 spots in 8 months, that’s crazy. It’s a constant moving cog


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Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2836798)

How's it looking now a few months after I last posted.... Now the ZED's are gone? All regionals are not the same. The WO will do what it takes to keep their seat filled first. If that ends up meaning downgrades at vendors and eventual recycling themselves, that's what will happen. When the Eagle branded planes start going back next year, will it just be attrition or will there be downgrades?
Not the place to be going to toady, unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Vectorss (Post 2836962)

Their ZEDs aren’t gone. Yeah CPZ lost some airlines but still have ZEDs. Just a smaller selection

Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 2819009)

Haha, miss you around here homie! Hope the airbus life is treatin you well. I'll be outta here one day. I just need to recruit and train my replacement on the snack basket committee first.

Originally Posted by stang (Post 2837234)

I have an interview in July and willing to be a snack basket intern should I get hired :D

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2837464)

Is the place really that toxic, or is this all just contract negotiation time hyperbole?

Complaints about broken promises, used needles in hotel rooms, even an anti management meme thread:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/e...es-morale.html

Is it really that bad?

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2837464)

Is the place really that toxic, or is this all just contract negotiation time hyperbole?

Complaints about broken promises, used needles in hotel rooms, even an anti management meme thread:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/e...es-morale.html

Is it really that bad?

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2837464)

Is the place really that toxic, or is this all just contract negotiation time hyperbole?

Complaints about broken promises, used needles in hotel rooms, even an anti management meme thread:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/e...es-morale.html

Is it really that bad?

Originally Posted by friend (Post 2842885)

Rumor is ENVOY LAX base summer 2020
Envoy just hired a LAX chief pilot
So envoy might not be a bad option

Originally Posted by friend (Post 2842885)

Rumor is ENVOY LAX base summer 2020
Envoy just hired a LAX chief pilot
So envoy might not be a bad option

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2838138)

It’s both
Their management really is the most unethical unscrupulous deceitful pack of scumbags ever to grace a corporate office.
That said, they’re in contract amendment negotiations.... almost perpetually it seems.

Originally Posted by friend (Post 2842885)

Rumor is ENVOY LAX base summer 2020
Envoy just hired a LAX chief pilot
So envoy might not be a bad option

Originally Posted by friend (Post 2842885)

Rumor is ENVOY LAX base summer 2020
Envoy just hired a LAX chief pilot
So envoy might not be a bad option

Originally Posted by flyboy94 (Post 2843011)

Plenty of rumors state that Envoy has had a chief pilot in LAX that was hired awhile ago so the fact you say they just did should tell you that you might want to stop believing rumors.

Originally Posted by LowerLoon185 (Post 2843009)

Your passion for this subject is on point, but airline execs are amateurs and choir boys compared to some industries. They wouldn't last a fiscal quarter in an Oil and Gas or Banking board room. :D

https://sites.psu.edu/leadership/201...of-leadership/

Originally Posted by friend (Post 2842885)

Rumor is ENVOY LAX base summer 2020
Envoy just hired a LAX chief pilot
So envoy might not be a bad option[/QUOTE]

Have you read the Envoy threads? It, in no way, sounds like a good option - coming from its own employees.

But if you want to talk rumors, rumor is Delta is going to staple all CP pilots to the bottom of their seniority list and we'll all go directly into the 220. Our badges already say Delta ;)

Originally Posted by friend (Post 2842885)

Rumor is ENVOY LAX base summer 2020
Envoy just hired a LAX chief pilot
So envoy might not be a bad option[/QUOTE]

Have you read the Envoy threads? It, in no way, sounds like a good option - coming from its own employees.

But if you want to talk rumors, rumor is Delta is going to staple all CP pilots to the bottom of their seniority list and we'll all go directly into the 220. Our badges already say Delta ;)

Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2843155)

Ever heard of Lorenzo?

Originally Posted by LowerLoon185 (Post 2843183)

Yes, i have, unfortunately. Compared to others..he's an amateur! :) Did Lorenzo get convicted of Conspiracy, Fraud, Money Laundering or spend time in a Federal Prison? Were his personal investments connected with Mexican drug cartels? Get convicted of making facilitating payments to despotic West African leaders?

I know of multiple Chief executives in the oil and gas industry that meet those metrics. By the way...my link above was just posted to lighten the conversation. No harm or insult intended. :D

Originally Posted by PilotsLife YoHo (Post 2818237)

You're right. I didnt give enough info.

Married with kids. Cant move because in laws are older and not doing too well. Live in ABQ. Total time 2900. 700 Prior 121. No military time.

Cujo made some great points too. I've done a fair amount of research but I'm having a hard time.

Envoy said to expect an upgrade within 6 months. I'm worried about a bunch of FO's who are senior to me upgrading after I do and then I'm perpetually stuck at the the bottom of the reserve list. I do want to enjoy some quality of life.

Compass doesn't have this problem. I'll upgrade in seniority order, from what I understand. Will they be around in 2 years though? That's anyone's guess. People seem much happier there.

I feel like I'm choosing quality of life over possible longevity.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2881830)

How’s it looking now?

Tried to tell people this would happen.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2881830)

How’s it looking now?

Tried to tell people this would happen.

Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 2881931)

I guess you shouldn't choose your airline based on who has the best memes

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2881937)

It ain’t over until the fat lady sings, and she ain’t sung yet.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2881830)

How’s it looking now?

Tried to tell people this would happen.

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2882155)

Little early to be dancing on a grave isn’t it? Jesus.

Originally Posted by flyguy727 (Post 2882273)

You need to make decisions based on your lifestyle, not which company I should work for. All these commuters offer the same benefits. But you should try Southern or Kalitta Charters. You'll get more time off, which might serve you best.