Passport
 

There are alot of pilots, which are not allowed to make international flights due to DUI or naturalization process in U. S.
Airlines ask about valid international passport.
If you are already in the company which hired you, knowing that they won't be able to assign you on international trip and totally fine with that.
Question: will company be fine to wave requirement of keeping valid passport for that type of pilots since they are not crossing the border?

Please don't answer " read contract or call chief pilot, union, etc."
Thank you, fellows!

The question is a little confusing.

Generally, they won't hire you if you cannot do the international trips. There are probably still a few commuter/prop regionals which stay domestic and would hire you.

A US green card and almost any foriegn passport should be fine, I don't think you need a US passport. Might be a problem if you have an Iranian, N. Korean, PLO etc passport, if that would create problems or delays on every trip.

If you are already employed and get a DUI, and cannot go to Canada, they will just keep you off of those trips. I have never heard of anyone getting fired in that situation, but in theory they *could*. I would not want to get a DUI and have to test on probation, that's for sure.

They would also consider the circumstances... one DUI they can probably forgive, and just keep you out of Canada. But if your right to travel in/out of the US got revoked, I think you would be unemployed. Ie you cannot be an illegal immigrant, or have a lapsed visa, or anything like that.

How it can be confusing if there is only one question about passport update (non US citizen or greencard holder)
Pilot is citizen of Venezuela, escaping from prosecution, applied for asylum, has international passport which will expire soon. Company hired him, and is okay with flying domestic flights.
Question: will company let him work with expired passport?

So he does not have a greencard? How is he allowed to fly for a US company, a work visa?

He obviously cannot fly international without a passport.

Whether he can remain employed depends on right-to-work status, ie needs greencard, special work visa, or citizenship. I'm not sure if a work visa would be valid with an expired passport, kind of doubt it.

Probably need to talk to an immigration lawyer. I'm guessing that an airline or 135 operation will not be able to employ someone with no legal status. Don't know if an asylum application allows one to work, kind of doubt it. They also have to satisfy TSA requirements due to the post-9/11 security climate.

Sounds like you don't want to ask the company... but I would NOT continue to fly in the US without proper legal status, and you need legal advice on that. You can get away with mowing lawns without a greencard but again the security concerns here about foriegn pilots could probably get you jailed and deported if you fly without having all the legal requirements met... especially an airliner.

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How about you learn how to write a question? Your original question mentioned nothing about a foreign national, flying for hire in the US on an asylum visa. Your questioned mentioned Pilots in the US being restricted from flying abroad due to a conviction for DWI.

Someone with a lot of expierience tries to help... don’t come of as a prick, when you can’t ask the question with the appropriate information.

You said “applied for asylum”, so it’s not processed yet. Did you obtain your EAD? Just because they hired you it doesn’t mean you’re good to go. HR will make sure your work permit and any other legal documents are valid and applicable to this job. This is something HR usually processes right before training.

Every airline has different passport policy. No universal rule applies to all. When can you renew your passport?

Side note - I’m a green card holder and it’s also your responsibility to make sure you’re eligible for this job. USCIS will find out and your application will be in jeopardy.

Ask your airline!

I somehow doubt an airline hired him without running an I-9, which would have flagged his status. I’m guessing OP is the person in the “question “ who is planning to apply for asylum and find a job.

Is the “friend” FAA qualified? Or does he have foreign certs?

Things have changed unfortunately at the regional level. Lots of pilots at Piedmont that can’t fly to Canada.

So if the company is asking for a valid passport, they may be asking for eligibility to leave and re-enter the US, as well as eligibility to enter a destination country. My company specifically does a lot of flying to Canada, and if you do not have permission to fly to Canada, my company won’t hire you.

Also, you need to be able to return to the US. If you are in a special visa status that does not allow re-entry, you may have issues. Mesa hired a flight attendant who was allowed to work but not re-enter after leaving. She got detained upon arrival to the US.

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A Venezuelan citizen would require a visa to travel to Canada in addition to their passport, and would require the appropriate documentation to return to the US.

GUYS STOP CREATING YOUR OWN STORY

Of course there is work authorization.
How can pilot get approval from AFSP for type rating and ATP CTP course without it?

Simple question: will company let the pilot continue to work with expired international passport or not.

Thanks everyone for respond. They are not answering my questions but have to say thank you anyway.

There is work authorization and legal status. If there will be at least one violation in migration status I won't be in the company simply because non citizen need TSA approval for every recurrent training or certificate.

Yes, before bringing it up to company I wanted to find answer here, because I'm not the one in this situation. There are pilots with the same situation as me that will simply go to embassy of their country and update passport to make life easy and then once the time will come to change status from asylum to permanent resident in the court will got themselves into big troubles.

After I'll find the answer I will talk to company cause it's inevitable, but I want to be prepared.
And because there are other pilots at the same situation as me working in my company and other companies, so if I'll know right solution I can write it down, so other pilots (on asylum or DUI, etc.) can have the answer and don't do a mistake.

I answered your question - No universal rule. Talk to your company. Just like others told you their airline does it, my airline does that. People may be in your situation or similar, but it all comes down to your specific airline. Speaking for my airline - You get 30 days to renew your passport. Closely to your 30 days you get an email from admin asking you about the status of your passport. If you don’t have it within 30 days you’ll get call in to the chief’s office.

You don’t need work authorization to get AFSP.

By the way, if you are employed by an airline and get a DUI, you will have a hard time convincing the company to keep you. A DUI will usually result in action from the FAA which will prevent you from being able to fly for at least 6 months. I know someone who got a DUI and had their pilot certificates revoked for 3 years.

Thank you.

I thought this was for a “friend”? Anyway best of luck to you but I don’t a company is going to want to keep a pilot that has a DUI.

The short answer is yes - a company can waive this policy and restrict you to domestic operations, if it behooves them to do so. That being said, they need a good reason to do it, it needs to make business sense, and all other factors need to be legal.
Likely what prevents the pilot from obtaining a passport is also going to affect the pilots ability to maintain DHS and TSA status for flying. It may not however, your “friend” needs to speak with the chief pilot and obtain a suitable remedy before this blows up in their face.

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There are plenty of companies that keep, and hire pilots who have DUIs. I have a friend who was hired by USAirways even though she had a DUI and could not do Canada trips. Many airlines have a HIMS program for pilots who have had issues with alcohol, including DUIs.

On a somewhat related note, I have a Canadian friend who recently became a naturalized U.S. citizen because he had heard of a few stories of U.S. Green Card holders being stopped at the border, being denied entry, and ultimately having their Green Cards revoked. While his naturalization was being processed, he had to inform the company that he was unable to do international trips, and there were no issues. I say it is somewhat related to the HIMS issue because he was instrumental in setting up the HIMS program at my old company. I also know some people on the European side who have had some issues getting their U.S. C1/D visa issued or renewed, and the company adjusted their schedules to avoid U.S. trips during that period.

So based on what I have seen, airlines are used to and understand the occasional passport/visa/travel restriction issues and in most cases can work around them for at least a period of time.

This is true... for those on property.

In most cases it will be much, much harder to get hired with a known circumstance which prevents international travel. Could happen, say a desperate regional needs pilots badly. There are a few I think which are still domestic only.

These people who were stopped at the border had DUIs? Or were they just being stopped for no reason?

Obviously stopped for some reason. This was what my friend told me he had heard, which served as his motivation for applying for U.S. citizenship. So I don't know details.

I certainly would not want to be applying for a job with something like that in my background. But as I said, I do have a friend who got hired at USAirways after she had a DUI.

“She” that’s an exception statement alone.

It's confusing because your initial post was disjointed, left information out, and was not clear. That's why it was confusing.

Presumably you're referring to a pilot holding a Venezuelan passport.

If the company isn't using the pilot for international operations, then possession of a valid passport is really a non-issue.

You stipulated that one cannot say "ask the chief pilot," but that is the only correct answer, as nobody can speak for your company or it's policy but the chief pilot (or director of operations). You did not state if you fly for a charter, airline, fractional, corporate, or other operation, so it's still quite unclear.

If the company doesn't require use of your passport now, then what difference does it make if you don't have one or it's expired?

If the company requires you to hold a valid passport, then it could be an issue. You must talk to your superiors regarding that: nobody here can answer for them.

I have worked for several international operators in which a pilot became unable to fly internationally for various reasons. The pilot was terminated because the policy was that a passport must be maintained, and the company didn't have the luxury of catering to individual pilots with such restrictions.

I have also worked for US-based international companies that used pilots from other countries; some of those pilots did not have a right to work in the US, so did strictly overseas flying. It was a bit of a problem because operations sometimes terminated in the US, and while those pilots could fly through, they were limited on their ability to do repeat domestic US operations.

If you cannot hold a passport, then you're likely restricted to companies that operate strictly on a domestic basis (assuming right to work in the US), that either don't require a passport, or are able to allow you to only do domestic flights if the company has international operations.