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There are alot of pilots, which are not allowed to make international flights due to DUI or naturalization process in U. S.
Airlines ask about valid international passport.
If you are already in the company which hired you, knowing that they won't be able to assign you on international trip and totally fine with that.
Question: will company be fine to wave requirement of keeping valid passport for that type of pilots since they are not crossing the border?
Please don't answer " read contract or call chief pilot, union, etc."
Thank you, fellows!
Airlines ask about valid international passport.
If you are already in the company which hired you, knowing that they won't be able to assign you on international trip and totally fine with that.
Question: will company be fine to wave requirement of keeping valid passport for that type of pilots since they are not crossing the border?
Please don't answer " read contract or call chief pilot, union, etc."
Thank you, fellows!
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The question is a little confusing.
Generally, they won't hire you if you cannot do the international trips. There are probably still a few commuter/prop regionals which stay domestic and would hire you.
A US green card and almost any foriegn passport should be fine, I don't think you need a US passport. Might be a problem if you have an Iranian, N. Korean, PLO etc passport, if that would create problems or delays on every trip.
If you are already employed and get a DUI, and cannot go to Canada, they will just keep you off of those trips. I have never heard of anyone getting fired in that situation, but in theory they *could*. I would not want to get a DUI and have to test on probation, that's for sure.
They would also consider the circumstances... one DUI they can probably forgive, and just keep you out of Canada. But if your right to travel in/out of the US got revoked, I think you would be unemployed. Ie you cannot be an illegal immigrant, or have a lapsed visa, or anything like that.
Generally, they won't hire you if you cannot do the international trips. There are probably still a few commuter/prop regionals which stay domestic and would hire you.
A US green card and almost any foriegn passport should be fine, I don't think you need a US passport. Might be a problem if you have an Iranian, N. Korean, PLO etc passport, if that would create problems or delays on every trip.
If you are already employed and get a DUI, and cannot go to Canada, they will just keep you off of those trips. I have never heard of anyone getting fired in that situation, but in theory they *could*. I would not want to get a DUI and have to test on probation, that's for sure.
They would also consider the circumstances... one DUI they can probably forgive, and just keep you out of Canada. But if your right to travel in/out of the US got revoked, I think you would be unemployed. Ie you cannot be an illegal immigrant, or have a lapsed visa, or anything like that.
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How it can be confusing if there is only one question about passport update (non US citizen or greencard holder)
Pilot is citizen of Venezuela, escaping from prosecution, applied for asylum, has international passport which will expire soon. Company hired him, and is okay with flying domestic flights.
Question: will company let him work with expired passport?
Pilot is citizen of Venezuela, escaping from prosecution, applied for asylum, has international passport which will expire soon. Company hired him, and is okay with flying domestic flights.
Question: will company let him work with expired passport?
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How it can be confusing if there is only one question about passport update (non US citizen or greencard holder)
Pilot is citizen of Venezuela, escaping from prosecution, applied for asylum, has international passport which will expire soon. Company hired him, and is okay with flying domestic flights.
Question: will company let him work with expired passport?
Pilot is citizen of Venezuela, escaping from prosecution, applied for asylum, has international passport which will expire soon. Company hired him, and is okay with flying domestic flights.
Question: will company let him work with expired passport?
He obviously cannot fly international without a passport.
Whether he can remain employed depends on right-to-work status, ie needs greencard, special work visa, or citizenship. I'm not sure if a work visa would be valid with an expired passport, kind of doubt it.
Probably need to talk to an immigration lawyer. I'm guessing that an airline or 135 operation will not be able to employ someone with no legal status. Don't know if an asylum application allows one to work, kind of doubt it. They also have to satisfy TSA requirements due to the post-9/11 security climate.
Sounds like you don't want to ask the company... but I would NOT continue to fly in the US without proper legal status, and you need legal advice on that. You can get away with mowing lawns without a greencard but again the security concerns here about foriegn pilots could probably get you jailed and deported if you fly without having all the legal requirements met... especially an airliner.
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How it can be confusing if there is only one question about passport update (non US citizen or greencard holder)
Pilot is citizen of Venezuela, escaping from prosecution, applied for asylum, has international passport which will expire soon. Company hired him, and is okay with flying domestic flights.
Question: will company let him work with expired passport?
Pilot is citizen of Venezuela, escaping from prosecution, applied for asylum, has international passport which will expire soon. Company hired him, and is okay with flying domestic flights.
Question: will company let him work with expired passport?
Someone with a lot of expierience tries to help... don’t come of as a prick, when you can’t ask the question with the appropriate information.
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You said “applied for asylum”, so it’s not processed yet. Did you obtain your EAD? Just because they hired you it doesn’t mean you’re good to go. HR will make sure your work permit and any other legal documents are valid and applicable to this job. This is something HR usually processes right before training.
Every airline has different passport policy. No universal rule applies to all. When can you renew your passport?
Side note - I’m a green card holder and it’s also your responsibility to make sure you’re eligible for this job. USCIS will find out and your application will be in jeopardy.
Ask your airline!
Every airline has different passport policy. No universal rule applies to all. When can you renew your passport?
Side note - I’m a green card holder and it’s also your responsibility to make sure you’re eligible for this job. USCIS will find out and your application will be in jeopardy.
Ask your airline!
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I somehow doubt an airline hired him without running an I-9, which would have flagged his status. I’m guessing OP is the person in the “question “ who is planning to apply for asylum and find a job.
Is the “friend” FAA qualified? Or does he have foreign certs?
Is the “friend” FAA qualified? Or does he have foreign certs?
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The question is a little confusing.
Generally, they won't hire you if you cannot do the international trips. There are probably still a few commuter/prop regionals which stay domestic and would hire you.
A US green card and almost any foriegn passport should be fine, I don't think you need a US passport. Might be a problem if you have an Iranian, N. Korean, PLO etc passport, if that would create problems or delays on every trip.
If you are already employed and get a DUI, and cannot go to Canada, they will just keep you off of those trips. I have never heard of anyone getting fired in that situation, but in theory they *could*. I would not want to get a DUI and have to test on probation, that's for sure.
They would also consider the circumstances... one DUI they can probably forgive, and just keep you out of Canada. But if your right to travel in/out of the US got revoked, I think you would be unemployed. Ie you cannot be an illegal immigrant, or have a lapsed visa, or anything like that.
Generally, they won't hire you if you cannot do the international trips. There are probably still a few commuter/prop regionals which stay domestic and would hire you.
A US green card and almost any foriegn passport should be fine, I don't think you need a US passport. Might be a problem if you have an Iranian, N. Korean, PLO etc passport, if that would create problems or delays on every trip.
If you are already employed and get a DUI, and cannot go to Canada, they will just keep you off of those trips. I have never heard of anyone getting fired in that situation, but in theory they *could*. I would not want to get a DUI and have to test on probation, that's for sure.
They would also consider the circumstances... one DUI they can probably forgive, and just keep you out of Canada. But if your right to travel in/out of the US got revoked, I think you would be unemployed. Ie you cannot be an illegal immigrant, or have a lapsed visa, or anything like that.
Things have changed unfortunately at the regional level. Lots of pilots at Piedmont that can’t fly to Canada.
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So if the company is asking for a valid passport, they may be asking for eligibility to leave and re-enter the US, as well as eligibility to enter a destination country. My company specifically does a lot of flying to Canada, and if you do not have permission to fly to Canada, my company won’t hire you.
Also, you need to be able to return to the US. If you are in a special visa status that does not allow re-entry, you may have issues. Mesa hired a flight attendant who was allowed to work but not re-enter after leaving. She got detained upon arrival to the US.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/natio...story,amp.html
A Venezuelan citizen would require a visa to travel to Canada in addition to their passport, and would require the appropriate documentation to return to the US.
Also, you need to be able to return to the US. If you are in a special visa status that does not allow re-entry, you may have issues. Mesa hired a flight attendant who was allowed to work but not re-enter after leaving. She got detained upon arrival to the US.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/natio...story,amp.html
A Venezuelan citizen would require a visa to travel to Canada in addition to their passport, and would require the appropriate documentation to return to the US.
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GUYS STOP CREATING YOUR OWN STORY
Of course there is work authorization.
How can pilot get approval from AFSP for type rating and ATP CTP course without it?
Simple question: will company let the pilot continue to work with expired international passport or not.
Of course there is work authorization.
How can pilot get approval from AFSP for type rating and ATP CTP course without it?
Simple question: will company let the pilot continue to work with expired international passport or not.
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