Originally Posted by Melekashraf (Post 2845713)

Hi guys, I am planning to join the airline soon, but I am hesitant which one to choose. Any suggestions?
Another question; Do pilots loose seniority when they change base?

Originally Posted by Melekashraf (Post 2845713)

Hi guys, I am planning to join the airline soon, but I am hesitant which one to choose. Any suggestions?
Another question; Do pilots loose seniority when they change base?

Originally Posted by IDrive175 (Post 2845865)

Need more info... where you live, are you willing to relocate, where would you like to end up (legacy, LCC, etc.), age, married/kids, flying background, etc

Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2845716)

Not overall seniority... but in base yes depending how could be better or worse depending on the seniority of the new base. Advice.. don’t hesitate..

Originally Posted by Melekashraf (Post 2845883)

I am flexible to relocate to somewhere not too cold. Have family with one kid. 2000 TT.
I have heard that You have to wait too long at PSA to hold a line... is that true?

Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2845920)

You do know they will no longer be making CRJ’s... right... (no more orders will be taken, just finishing the 39 they have left to build)

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2845947)

American still has options for 14 more that can be built. Plus additional growth may not be new airframes...

Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2845953)

Montreal called last call on options... yes lots of used aircraft will be on the market.. but new ones will be done next year.. hopefully airbus takes over the factory. Family member may need a new job...

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2845900)

Biggest rumor right now is a DFW base sometime next year and additional CRJ900s.

Originally Posted by uavking (Post 2846093)

GFY.

OP: if your choice is between those two, then I reluctantly say #SkyBest.

Originally Posted by Thedude86 (Post 2846166)

Why the harsh language?

Originally Posted by uavking (Post 2846211)

There’s a reason why PSA has all those CRJ, and it isn’t out of the kindness of DP’s heart... So this “hot rumor” of a DFW base for them?

Originally Posted by Thedude86 (Post 2846229)

I agree. I don’t think a DFW base would be out of the kindness of DP’s heart either. Come to think of it... I don’t think anything AA has done was out of the kindness of their heart. I don’t see how stating a rumor that has plenty of evidence to back it up warrants a GFY.

Originally Posted by uavking (Post 2846250)

Yeah, sure, and I'll bet you guys get some nice friendly waves flying AE tail ships in and out of DFW. Whether you have only ten guys from 2013 still around is irrelevant. There's a reason why, of three wholly-owned, the PSA pilot group was approached for raises first, and it isn't just because recruiting was suffering.

To the OP, try to ignore the Kool-aid pushers from all of the various regionals. Do your own line by line on pay, work rules, bases (commutability, cost of living, etc), training department quality, union MECs, etc. Look at the complete picture when you make your decision on where you want to fly and get your regional time knocked out.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2846273)

And if PSA opens DFW that doesn’t mean it is at the expense of Envoy.

Originally Posted by Phoenix21 (Post 2846403)

Get Envoy planes reducing staffing needs in DFW as fleet plans get shuffled around forcing displacements/commutes to LGA/ORD/MIA and then open a base in DFW using the very same planes that you got from Envoy? How can that even remotely be considered anything but at their expense?

I don’t usually get into the “eff PSA” arguments, but if what you’re describing happened and I was at Envoy, I’d probably hate you guys. I can see why the Envoy guys aren’t happy about that idea.

Originally Posted by Phoenix21 (Post 2846403)

Get Envoy planes reducing staffing needs in DFW as fleet plans get shuffled around forcing displacements/commutes to LGA/ORD/MIA and then open a base in DFW using the very same planes that you got from Envoy? How can that even remotely be considered anything but at their expense?

I don’t usually get into the “eff PSA” arguments, but if what you’re describing happened and I was at Envoy, I’d probably hate you guys. I can see why the Envoy guys aren’t happy about that idea.

Originally Posted by Thedude86 (Post 2846544)

First, flying has been shifted around since the existence of regional airlines. Envoy is no different. Pilots can claim the parent company can’t afford to do this anymore, but the reality is flying is being shifted around right now with at least 4 different airlines that I can think of just off the top of my head. And probably more as a few regionals consolidate in the coming years. To direct hate towards an airline that “stole” your flying that you never owned in the first place just shows you have no idea how the business world operates. There will be more Comairs. There will be more airlines that get the shaft like Envoy. And as Envoy will gladly tell you PSA will probably figure out how to screw us all once again. The day flying stops getting shifted around is the day regionals cease to exist, which I don’t think is ever going to happen.



As far as PSA taking over Envoy in DFW... that is not the rumor. The rumor is we may be merging with or taking Mesa’s flying. We both operate CRJs. We operate roughly 140 airplanes with almost 2000 pilots. Mesa operates almost 20 MORE airplanes with only 1200 pilots. Something is at play. Don’t worry. Envoy is completely safe in DFW. Especially with them undercutting the entire industry with their low wages. (Sarcasm with eye roll).

Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2846618)

This is what I believe as well.

Over at Envoy we saw a blowup of lines increasing in DFW for the 175. That replaces Mesa’s 175 flying as well.

The 145 out of DFW are the guys that get affected. I’m on the 175, and with that said if PSA once again undercuts the pilot group then it will affect those guys. That is gonna be one view point.

On the other hand, we may not see an impact and PSA takes SKW and MESA flying, that’s an idea that I think is the most realistic as AA has been ON RECORD that they want to bring flying in house to have more profitable gains. So that’s what I believe PSA has business being in DFW


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Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 2846629)

What does Mesa United owner 175s in Houston have to do with envoy and American in Dallas?

American has spent the last years expanding contract flying while shrinking envoy flying so it will take a lot of “wanting to bring flying in house to have more profitable gains“ just to get back to what was normal.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2846652)

What? American has literally done the exact opposite. PSA and Piedmont took over the Air Wisconsin and Trans States flying. Envoy picked up the slack in LGA. Envoy isn’t really shrinking as much as it’s staying about where it is for now. Envoy gets 175s and sends 145s to Piedmont and 700s to PSA.

The plan I think has been (for years now) for Envoy to eventually be all E175, Piedmont to be all E145s, and PSA to be all CRJ 7/900. If PSA grows in DFW it will most likely be at the expense of Mesa. And I would imagine you’d see PSA, Envoy, and SkyWest likely to pick up all the Mesa flying if AA decides to end their flying with them.

AA would likely transfer the AA-owned 900s being flown by Mesa to PSA and as the contracts on the remaining 900s come up they would be replaced by new 175s at Envoy. So if anything I think Envoy will likely grow in DFW as well if any such scenario played out like that. Meanwhile more 145s would be transferred to Piedmont to cover more short east coast flying.

Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 2846745)

I said envoy.
https://i.postimg.cc/PJVVNmQw/Screen...6-08-36-PM.png
I guess if you have only been in the game since 2016 sure or went to PSA at the right time it's all been roses, but 2011 wasn't that long ago.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2847148)

You said Envoy. Then bring charts from time when Envoy didn't exist in its current form.

2011 was 8 (EIGHT) years ago, that's a long time. It was also pre-merger pre-bankruptcy pre-Eagle contractual battles and subsequent shrinking etc.

In the past few years, as your charts show, AA has been increasing the amount of flying done by WO regionals, and shrinking the contract carriers share. This trend very likely will continue.

Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 2847159)

[Views expressed by dera are those of Envoy recruiting]

Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 2847159)

[views expressed by dera are those of envoy recruiting]

Originally Posted by Ihavenoidea (Post 2847166)

Yeah didn’t OO just ink some AA 700 flying in DFW not too long ago? And I don’t thing that flying was a very “short term” contract.