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Originally Posted by JayBee
(Post 2861017)
I'm assuming your being serious and not being facetious...
We were talking about anticipating delays and 117 extensions - not whether it was legal to depart or not. To answer your question directly if you are leaving and arriving within the same hour then the METAR is controlling (this is the Regional sub forum...). To further the anticipating delays discussion - we have synoptic discussions, Satellite, IR, Radar, Constant Pressure charts, SFC plots, Skew-T, etc, etc. If you’re going to argue that “unforeseen circumstances” weren’t unforeseen because charts showed this WX was forecast then I think you will lose that every time. Circumstance had to have been known in time for a schedule change to avoid. Schedules come out the month prior. In short, WX, MECH, ATC, you can be extended, you may opt out, your options for that vary with airlines. |
Found it, thanks to the guy that posted the site with the legal interpretations.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/practice_areas/regulations/interpretations/Data/interps/2014/Yu-Southwest%20Airlines%20Pilots%20Assoc%20-%20(2014)%20Legal%20Interpretation.pdf It says it all right there about "automatic extensions." I was talking to my CA during my trip here at PSA, and it is a common belief that extensions are automatic here. Absolutely not true and here's the document that says as much. Spread the good word. |
Originally Posted by arbalist1
(Post 2862177)
Found it, thanks to the guy that posted the site with the legal interpretations.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/practice_areas/regulations/interpretations/Data/interps/2014/Yu-Southwest%20Airlines%20Pilots%20Assoc%20-%20(2014)%20Legal%20Interpretation.pdf It says it all right there about "automatic extensions." I was talking to my CA during my trip here at PSA, and it is a common belief that extensions are automatic here. Absolutely not true and here's the document that says as much. Spread the good word. |
Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
(Post 2867174)
At 9e, our FOM says we automatically accept the 30 minute extension when we sign the release. Seems to match what that letter says.
That being said the only way to not accept the extension without talking to a chief is to call fatigued which is a pretty simple and painless process in my experience. |
Originally Posted by Approach1260
(Post 2867180)
Yeah the 30 minute extension is automatic and holds no caveats, longer than 30 minutes and they will contact the pic to see if they'll accept the extension. My experience with PSA is that they usually only check with the Captain then assume the rest of the crew falls in with his or her decision.
That being said the only way to not accept the extension without talking to a chief is to call fatigued which is a pretty simple and painless process in my experience. |
Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
(Post 2867174)
At 9e, our FOM says we automatically accept the 30 minute extension when we sign the release. Seems to match what that letter says.
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Originally Posted by arbalist1
(Post 2862177)
Found it, thanks to the guy that posted the site with the legal interpretations.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf It says it all right there about "automatic extensions." I was talking to my CA during my trip here at PSA, and it is a common belief that extensions are automatic here. Absolutely not true and here's the document that says as much. Spread the good word. |
Originally Posted by Approach1260
(Post 2867180)
Yeah the 30 minute extension is automatic and holds no caveats, longer than 30 minutes and they will contact the pic to see if they'll accept the extension. My experience with PSA is that they usually only check with the Captain then assume the rest of the crew falls in with his or her decision.
That being said the only way to not accept the extension without talking to a chief is to call fatigued which is a pretty simple and painless process in my experience. |
Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
(Post 2867174)
At 9e, our FOM says we automatically accept the 30 minute extension when we sign the release. Seems to match what that letter says.
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Originally Posted by Peabody17
(Post 2867281)
Then your FOM needs to go back to the POI with a copy of the interpretation attached. 14 CFR 121.135(a)(4) says the manual may “not be contrary to any applicable Federal regulation...”
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