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Burt123 09-27-2019 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 2894514)
I believe the Envoy e175s use LPV technology to LNAV+VNAV minimums, that’s why we use ‘APR’ mode on those approaches.

LPV and LNAV/VNAV are two different things. You need a WAAS equipped aircraft to fly LPV, highly unlikely Envoy’s 175s are equipped. Hopefully you’re using “APR mode” on ALL approaches with vertical guidance.

Who cares about RNP, yeah it’s great to have, but like one of the other posts indicated it’s unlikely you’ll actually be “cleared” for any RNP to a major airport. I’m not too sure why YX deems it necessary to spend money on this, as you’ll only really use it flying out west, especially the PNW, which they’re not flying.

hydrostream 09-27-2019 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by snackysmores (Post 2894346)
It was annoying because in training they have you flying RNP approaches into SEA over and over again, yet in all my years on the dash I never once got approved to fly it on the line.

A few weeks ago we got approved for the Z to 16R from VASHN. Couldn't believe it.

Random Task 09-27-2019 10:49 PM


Originally Posted by Burt123 (Post 2894561)
LPV and LNAV/VNAV are two different things. You need a WAAS equipped aircraft to fly LPV, highly unlikely Envoy’s 175s are equipped. Hopefully you’re using “APR mode” on ALL approaches with vertical guidance.

Who cares about RNP, yeah it’s great to have, but like one of the other posts indicated it’s unlikely you’ll actually be “cleared” for any RNP to a major airport. I’m not too sure why YX deems it necessary to spend money on this, as you’ll only really use it flying out west, especially the PNW, which they’re not flying.

RNP will be used every time the weather goes down in DCA and 19 is in use. As it stands the LDA gets you down to 800'. Last summer when that localizer went underwater the other one left us at 1100 or 1200, cant remember. Lots of go arounds and diversions that could be avoided with RNP.

KCaviator 09-28-2019 02:40 AM


Originally Posted by Random Task (Post 2894708)
RNP will be used every time the weather goes down in DCA and 19 is in use. As it stands the LDA gets you down to 800'. Last summer when that localizer went underwater the other one left us at 1100 or 1200, cant remember. Lots of go arounds and diversions that could be avoided with RNP.

Seems like a lot of work and money for primarily one airport. It is interesting they’re investing in it since we’re an east coast airline.

ZeroTT 09-28-2019 02:46 AM

Depends what the supporting major has.

Couple days a year cancelling all rj’s into dca when the majors are flying is gonna get attention

FlyyGuyy 09-28-2019 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by Burt123 (Post 2894561)
LPV and LNAV/VNAV are two different things. You need a WAAS equipped aircraft to fly LPV, highly unlikely Envoy’s 175s are equipped. Hopefully you’re using “APR mode” on ALL approaches with vertical guidance.

Who cares about RNP, yeah it’s great to have, but like one of the other posts indicated it’s unlikely you’ll actually be “cleared” for any RNP to a major airport. I’m not too sure why YX deems it necessary to spend money on this, as you’ll only really use it flying out west, especially the PNW, which they’re not flying.

Not at a regional now, but every time it's nice in SFO we get the rnp visual there.

rickair7777 09-28-2019 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by Random Task (Post 2894708)
RNP will be used every time the weather goes down in DCA and 19 is in use. As it stands the LDA gets you down to 800'. Last summer when that localizer went underwater the other one left us at 1100 or 1200, cant remember. Lots of go arounds and diversions that could be avoided with RNP.


Originally Posted by KCaviator (Post 2894728)
Seems like a lot of work and money for primarily one airport. It is interesting they’re investing in it since we’re an east coast airline.


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 2894730)
Depends what the supporting major has.

Couple days a year cancelling all rj’s into dca when the majors are flying is gonna get attention

The major calls the shots on nav capability, and then pays for what they specify. In addition to equipment and related MX, typically an entire pilot group needs to be RNP trained, even though only a handful might ever do it.

Up to the major, but they also consider arrival slots... those go down when the wx goes down and they always canx the RJ's first anyway.

No Land 3 09-29-2019 02:06 AM

Our 747's now have two WAAS GPS's, but they are for a different requirement.

rickair7777 09-29-2019 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2895192)
Our 747's now have two WAAS GPS's, but they are for a different requirement.

The cost of not getting in is vastly higher for a cargo widebody, and any 74 operators probably go to some under-developed places.

No Land 3 09-29-2019 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2895500)
The cost of not getting in is vastly higher for a cargo widebody, and any 74 operators probably go to some under-developed places.

Those pesky Europeans like a lot of technology to cross the Atlantic on the NAT Tracks. I rarely do an RNAV approach, 99% ILS even into places in Africa. A 747 requires a decent airport, and decent sized airports have ILS's no matter where they are located.


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