Envoy or PSA??
 

End goal: American Airlines

Currently 4 hour driving distance from LGA. My local airport also has many PSA flights to DCA per day.

I also enjoy time off and lower pay doesn't bother me for better QOL.

The flow for a new hire at PSA is over 10 years currently for what that matters to you, not sure about Envoy.

Depending on who’s numbers you believe it’s the same for Envoy, or you will flow in 5 years. 🙄 Good luck.

So at the present time does Envoy or PSA have a better QOL based off what the word on the street is?

Depends on where you live. PSA will also have a change in QoL when we switch to a PBS, it will undoubtedly change the way we SAP, therefore altering how much control you have of your off time. Right now it's really nice. Unfortunately, I am of the belief that given previous performance of the union, the only direction for QoL when PBS hits is down.

Don't commute (especially to reserve), it's bad for your health.

I think PBS may be further off (if ever) than most pilots at PSA realize.

I will say there is a luxury of driving to work and not having to worry about delays, weather, flight loads, etc. LGA is also junior and the flying will pick up after winter most likely once you get out of training.

A 4 hour drive to NYC is hardly “not commuting”. If he lived in Queens or something I’d say it’s a clear choice. But a 4 hour drive to NYC? Nah I’m good. I’ll take a plane every time.

Care to place a wager on this? I'll give you 10:1 odds.

There is no way that it will take 10 years for anyone at PSA to flow to AA. That is ridiculous.

We lose over 25 per month outside of the flow, and dozens of guys that are in the top 25% of the list have interviews coming up soon outside of a flow.

stolen from the flow predictor...

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I believe the math that is done for the predictions, is based on historical attrition rates. So there's not much reason to believe that, unless something changes (entirely possible), it isn't fairly close to being right.

Lol hey by all means you can believe whatever you like, it won't hurt my feelings. The ACTUAL attrition numbers show a pilot hired in September 2019 can expect to flow 10.3 years later.

We've nearly doubled in size in 3 years and the flow has barely increased, so yeah 10 years is pretty reasonable.

That flow math is done each month using a moving average, both annual and three months. It's a very accurate snapshot of where things stand, assuming no change to the flow rate. Banking on the flow increasing soon, as is rumored, is counting your chickens before they hatch. It's also a disservice to someone that is trying to make a comparison between job offers.

Anticipating that the flow will increase is similar to anticipating that wage increase are coming. Until it's been signed and applied, don't go spending that extra money.

Most likely flow will eventually go up. When that will be is anyone’s guess. But as it stands right now if flow stays the same... less than 10 years to flow for a new hire is wishful thinking. Yes we might lose 25 a month but those 25 aren’t always senior to you. Especially as you move up the list. I just broke top 300 and for the last year I’ve only been moving up about 0-3 numbers besides the 10/month that flow.