What is the deal with GoJets??
 

I'm currently a CFI not making any kind of money, and just got a call today from GoJets in St. Louis. I talked to a buddy of mine who is a Captain for ExpressJet and he said to be really careful with what I decide to do with them. He said if I ended up taking a job with them, not only would I be hated by all the other pilots in the industry, but I wouldn't be able to jumpseat anywhere on anyone, and that it would haunt me for the rest of my career. Is that really the outtake on GoJets pilots? In my current situation I am not making any money as a CFI, I have flight debt up to my ears, and here comes a company that might offer me a job flying a CRJ-700. I realize the pay is crappy right off the bat, but who's isn't?

I would really appreciate some feedback on this. Like are GoJets pilots hated that much and why? Thanks.

I'm gonna be one of the nicer posts in this thread...do a search, you'll learn everything you need to know to make an educated decision.

I'll even do some of the legwork for you...

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GO jet was created by Trans States airlines Holding company becuase they wanted to go around the scope clause they currently had with trans states not being able to fly larger aircraft. They won crj 700s with united and started this company with a different seniority list than tran states and they were non union. At the time Trans states started to furlough as well (i believe). So you have trans states pilots who had done all this hard work for the airline getting laid off, and you have go jet growing at their mercy. Its the same thing mesa did with freedom. Its the same thing Pinnacle tried to do with us, but we wouldnt let them, so then they just went out and bought their own airline and we are still fighting that. Go jet was only awarded 16 planes, and nothing has happened since then. Sure, if you take that job with them, you will fly the CRJ 700, but there are plenty of other airlines that fly that plane that you can work for and not ruin your career in the process. There are pilots out there thay no matter what will treat you like crap if they knew you worked there.

I dont work for transtates, so if any of this info is incorrect please correct it.

come on man. people like this is why alpa should spend some cash educating young pilots on good and bad contracts. people go work for crappy operators and then once they realize that it is one of the worst possible things they could have done they either ***** and moan about how the industry sucks or jump ship to a better place. The damage was already done though. if people were educated about other options these places couldnt find pilots. before i got on with express there was no way for me to find out about the contract or how it compared to other carriers. I only was able to find out through close friends and online.

Do some research man. a simple search or better yet talk to your express friend and ask him to set you up with some of his other contacts in the industry. ask as many questions as you can and you will soon learn you dont have to be making peanuts, with a crappy carrier that doesnt respect you. having debt is no excuse for working for gojets. instruct a couple months longer and get on with someone that will pay you and respect you. If you go to gojets you WILL regret it everytime someone sees it on your resume, another pilot asks you where you fly, or if and when you apply to a better airline. good luck with the research

And why ALPA members like you and I should take every opportunity to educate the up-and-comers on the state of the industry...

dont fly "gayway" it will be the biggest mistake of your life, and yes that pretty much makes you a scab since its an alter ego airline and its essentially the same thing. you can easily get a job somewhere else with all the regionals hiring. try expressjet or republic

Yes, GoJet's pilots are hated by other pilots. They are hated very much, and many people consider them the next worst things to scabs.

Have you ever taken a gun and just shot yourself in the foot to see what it feels like?? That is essentially what you will be doing if you go fly for GoJet, aka Blow Jets, Gayway, Goaway Jets.

GoJet was created by Trans States. They wanted their pilots to fly 70 seat jets, but Trans States scope clause said they could not fly bigger airplanes unless a pay rate was negotiated. Instead of negotiating, Trans States went around the pilots contract and created GoJet's. They got the jets. People were hired there and "upgraded" out of seniority order over Trans States pilots. Not only were Trans States pilots screwed in that sense, but many were furloughed at this time. Usually this is against US Labor Laws, but somehow Trans States was able to circumvent these laws. That is the story (more or less).

GoJet's pilots are hated by all. Their is no discriminating. Every GoJet pilot is hated equally. Many will not allow you ride on their airplane (in jumpseat or even in back). You had better live in Saint Louis, or within close driving distance. Otherwise, I don't see how you are going to get to work.
If you ever want to go to another airline, you will have a hard time answering, "So why did you fly at GoJet's?" Be ready for people ignoring/not talking to you in future jobs. Only speak when spoken to, and only when absolutely necessary for the safe operation of the flight.

GoJet's only has about 150 pilots. Having that small of a group makes it easy to keep tabs on you. There used to be a list of all GoJet's pilots that was published (to use to deny GoJet's pilots from riding jumpseats), but I can't seem to find it. It was something like gojetpilots.com.

Anyway, there are very good reasons not to go and work for GoJet's. You may be committing career suicide. There are plenty of other regionals out there. They are hiring thousands of pilots this year. They are lowering minimums every single day. You WILL get hired by another carrier soon. Do not take the job at GoJet!!!
But hey, if you want to shoot yourself in the foot (by going to GoJet), let me know how it feels. I sure as hell don't want to try it.

Feel free to ask more questions to fully understand the implications of your choice.
Good luck making the right choice.
Ryan

SJS.:( I must be retarded because I remember being satisfied with being hired into the 1900 many moons ago. I won't be a Capt again for a long time but when I do upgrade, ALPA Scabs, F.A.G.'s, and GoJetters wouldn't be welcome on my j/s. Many feel the same, some may not care...you won't know till you round the corner and ask for a ride. Is it worth it? Not to me but to each his own.

Your buddy is correct. Unless you intend to make go-jets your FINAL career destination, seek out ANY other employment...CFI, cargo, even mesa.

Go Jets
 

Ceyoung - gojets is a company where the management tried to negotiate with the employees, in this case the pilots, wanting them to fly larger equipment for the same amount of money. When the pilots refused and asked for additional pay when flying the larger equipment the company simply started a new company within the old one (TSA). It's a very shameful tactic yet that's the fact.

To top it all off, when GoJets was started many new-hire pilots in training at TSA were furloughed all of a sudden, yet they all got an offer to fly for GoJets instead. Most refused and rightfully so!

I do not look at Gojets' pilots as scabs (pilots who crossed a picket line) yet I do believe they condone their company’s behavior by accepting a pilot position there. At my previous airline I did see a captain tell a go-jet pilot to "get off his airplane" when asked for a jumpseat (the captain was a former TSA pilot).

Personally I think you should listen to your friend, he/she sounds like someone who knows what he/she is talking about and also someone who wants you to succeed.

I know you hate being a cfi and that you got bills to pay. Most us were in your position not too long ago. Trust me; you’ll have much better opportunities before you know it.

Rick is correct.....Gojet pilots are getting stuck with crappy airlines like FedEx, UPS, Delta, Continental and Southwest.....I know, they are REALLY screwed....but I guess they will have to settle for those 'career ending' airlines.....

keep on stealing ASA's airplanes Rick! Every pilot hired at Skywest since they bought ASA is doing the same thing as any GJ pilot....THEY KNOW what they are doing to ASA pilots!

and.....EAGLE furloughed while TSA HAPPILY took 10 of their airplanes to do the STL flying.....

NEVER FORGET!

Bring IT ON CRYBABIES!

by the way the Eagle thing was arbitrated in favor of TSA to the extreme dislike of Eagle pilots.....AND the Gojet Arbitration has said that it IS NOT an alter ego and NOT a violation of the TSA scope clause.....so deal with it

more gojet pilots are moving on to legacy carriers than the ones who whine about them.....

goarmy-

as much as I think ASA guys are getting screwed, and as much beef as i had with being at skywest, im gonna defend rick and skw pilots on this one. Totally different than the GayJets situation. And take a look at what "big" delta is doing spreading the love, thats the problem

Skywest pilots are 'allowing' managment to do it .....maybe rick sees it different.....but mature and professional pilots at legacy carries do not see it the same way the children at the 'kiddie table' do....

bottom line.....reguardless how you feel about the GoJet situation , the FACTS about where they are having to 'end' their careers are there....plain and simple.....

its no different than other regionals.....the little boys at regionals are upset that someone else is playing the 'undercutting' game......if it was there airline they would be jumping for joy at the upgrades.....

show me some UNITY and TURN down the next batch of flying you get and give it to your brothers and sisters at an airline with LONG upgrades......

never forget what?

bring what on? hilarious, just take a deep breath for a moment. you army guys are intense

I will agree with you 100% on this one. the pilots at SKW have very little backbone, thats part of the reason i left. but theyre not youre problem at ASA. the problem with ASA is that your MEC sucks and your management is evil. hopefully this pay raise youll get that gives you a better scale than SKW will smooth things out

Hey thanks you guys for your input. I didn't realize what I was really getting in to. Yeah after I made that post this morning I talked to some more pilots I know and they all said the same thing, to stay away from them, and now I know why. I have an opportunity to fly elsewhere and I think I am going to take it, just not with GoJets. After doing research on this company I couldn't in good concience work for a company that screwed so many pilots out of a job. I appreciate everyones input on this. Sorry to bring up what seems like an old topic.

i would rather be a professional at the cost of seeming 'intense' ....at least passengers can look at me and see an airline pilot....and not an unprofessional moron who wont wear their hat because they think it looks stupid....has hair that looks like they just got out of bed....a pinky ring and a shell neckalce ( these guys belong at a gay parade not an airplane) and pork chop side burns .....I could go on and on.....but its actually making it easier for me to succeed....those types are the ones that will be stuck at their current regional when they are in their 50s :-) ........a little off track but this is TOO fun!!

where is my shell necklace??

then you better not work for ANY regional.....because if its screwing pilots out of jobs.....talk to the mainline pilots who have been ,and still are furloughed because of pilots 'screwing' them out of a job :-)

dude what are you talking about? civilians may not fit in "your world" but guess what, youre living in their world. dont trash a civilian for being a civilian. they are just as professional and so what if they dont wear their hats or or have sideburns. i think youve done too many tours in iraq there bud

btw thanks for your service

i didnt say they had to have a buzz cut .....the point was nothing to do with military....its about a professional appearance.....and when a punk kid looks like he it trying to be an Abercromie boi and fly at the same time.....he comes off looking like a moron

the definition of professional is based on what the company requires. if a company says to maintain a professional standard you must wear this and have your hair to this length, then you are a professional. as long as they follow company guidance (skywest hats optional) you cant fault them.

my new company doesnt even have hats. does that make us unprofessional?

no not at all....are you reading anything between your bong hits?..bro....if its optional or not required ....who cares...however, try the pinky ring at a Delta or Continental interview ......see if they dont show you the door

i am sure I acted like a moron in my twenties......however it only hurts the profession to 'high five' and act like the kids that most are, while in the terminal in front of passengers

hold on let me set down my bong. well have fun flying with us punk kids.

I breakdance in the JETWAY when the pax are waiting for the gate checked baggage

as long as youre dancing with your HAT on its acceptable


i dedicate this next avatar to goarmy

And you continue to do an outstanding job of carrying on the legacy..... go army, congratulations you are the biggest douche in the universe.

what does that stand for?:confused:

Freedom Air Group (Freedom A listers)

freedom air i think (freedom "A")

lol, have to agree with you there:D

haha you beat me to it

HMP how can you agree with that guy? hes out of his mind

come on, those guys do look gay(can i say that?:confused: ). anway, we had an awac j/s the other day, who had his sunglasses on the back of his head! wtf is that?:mad:

Yep...one result of lower hiring min's are lower standards - the KIDS who have no sense of Professionalism walking around in view of Passengers like they're teen-queen models...It is embarrassing for us ALL.

I've flown with Captains that had no Pride in their appearance, shirts untucked, never ironed... - that is just as much a disgrace. I hate to be negative about any Fellow Pilot (except, of course, of a GoJetter)

when it comes to women, these guys that look "gay" lay more pipe than anybody else out there. But thats beside the point.

At any rate, so what if they look that way. as they mature theyll take on a different style of clothing and haircuts etc. you never have to see them your terminals are typically far apart. and wait a minute youre on the cargo side you never seem at all so why do you care?

funny how realists are dubbed as "negative". you are right, they are a disgrace. When i was a kid, my dad(former ual) was the most respected man in the neighborhood

read my above post, that may answer your question. and about those guys "laying pipe", the only pipe they lay is in the toilet:)

hahahaha too funny HMP. well if were going to start nitpicking on who looks professional and who doesnt, this would go on forever. people look the way they look right now because thats whats in right now. just because your generation cant associate with it, doesnt mean its unprofessional. its fine. hairstyles are hairstyles, and if theyre approved length then so be it. if a guy wants to wear a ring on his pinky so what, as long as its approved in the company manual which it probably is.

the untucked shirt thing and slob look is not specific to the regionals, its at all levels.


and while i myself do not lay any pipe (im a freight dog now nobody will touch me) i have to live vicariously through them :)

well if they have fun with the male flight attendants ......thats their bizzness

.....the sunglasses on the back of the head is one of my favorite.......guys like that are the ones/and reason that I LOVE to irrrk with this GJ stuff....I really could care less about GJ....I work at AE and I admit I made a bad disicion......but to see the kiddies get all huffy.....its all worth it :-)

and the passengers think your morons....put them in your pocket....and stop giving and getting 'pipe' from your boi FA!!