That was the original plan but I’ve been told by more than a few now, including yourself to get out of the regionals as quickly as I can... I’m now starting to rethink that idea. My thoughts were to move up in seniority and have an even better QOL.

One more thing on Envoy... if you get the 175, you aren't getting New York. Most of their classes seem to split 175 and 145, but if you land in an all-175 class, then you're heading to DFW or ORD.

If you want to stay at the regional and never move on.....Republic is the best choice.....

The quality of life at Republic is so much better than Envoy, any miniscule difference in movement (and I'm skeptical of that with how little Envoy guys fly on reserve) shouldn't move the needle at all. They're both essentially a 1000 hour upgrade these days. The only difference is that Republic won't force you to upgrade at 950 hours if you don't feel ready. And that is a completely normal thing to not be ready with that time.

You will be much happier at Republic in NYC, with two (very junior) bases to choose from and two bases to pick up trips from. It's also one area where Republic is definitely not going to go anywhere.

Endeavor you'll get paid marginally more, but sit reserve for a long time and wait equally long to upgrade.

I can't come up with any scenario where anyone would choose Envoy or Endeavor in NYC over Republic unless they absolutely had to go to AA.

(also, people can and do break guarantee on reserve at Republic, especially if you're NYC-based)

What he said, PLUS with minimum trip guarantees, you credit more time when you do pick up trips at Republic than at Envoy....I sent you a PM

This is a no brainer. Unless you are so worried about your resume and interviewing skills that flow is your only chance to move on, Republic hands down. Best QOL, high credit lines, min day, low reserve times (and while on reserve you will get plenty of flying to build your hours), LGA and EWR being Jr bases, low upgrade time, etc.

My only concern with Republic is the 2 hour call out on reserve, I agree with you about everything else. I live about 1 hour and 10 minutes from LGA without any traffic at all. With rush hour traffic it could possibly be just over 2 hours. I know it’s only a couple of months if that but was curious how others have handled a similar situation. Envoy has a 3 hour call out in NYC.

Envoy is the better choice of those you listed. If you’re hired there, you’re already hired at AA. Just don’t screw up, get discipline letters and you flow to AA in 5-6 years. No interview, just go to class.
That is a priceless backup to have while you apply through the front door with the other 14,000 regional pilots applying to mainline jobs.

Envoy, and if your not at a Delta or United first, you flow to AA with 9 years left. Plenty of time to make it worthwhile.

Since the OP stated he wanted to stay at the Regional....Republic is a better choice. It would take him 10 years at Envoy (92.00 as per the rates listed on APC ENVOY PROFILE) to reach the same pay as a year 3 Captain (based on Jan 1, 2020 rates) at Republic. This is for the 145 at Envoy since he wants to be based in NYC.

10 year CA makes 101/hr at Envoy.

3-yr Cpt at Republic is 95.06, 6-yr 101.67, & 10-yr 111.50

6 years is listed as $95/hr, is the APC profile not accurate?

The 10 year pay rates aren't really relevant at Envoy. Envoy has no 10 year captains who are there because they can't get hired elsewhere.
Going to a regional and planning to stay there for 14 years is pretty crazy.

These are the new rates that go in effect Jan 1, 2020.....I am guessing APC won't update them until Jan 1, 2020....If the OP wants to stay at the Regional like he/she posted, then 10-yr rates are applicable, assuming age 65 doesn't get them before 10 years....

If you really intend to become a lifer, then RAH is not a bad gig right now. But with 14 years left, there are so many opportunities for a much, much better career elsewhere. 14 years is an eternity in the regional industry. Only a couple of years ago, Republic was the bottom feeder. Who knows what it looks like in the next decade and a half. Regional should never be a career plan if you have more than 2-3 years left.

2-hour call out to show time. Which still gives you 45 minutes to get the parking brake dropped. If you're a few minutes late and communicate with the crew, it's really not a big deal. If you're really worried about it, drive part way and hang out somewhere if your reserve period includes rush hour.

It doesn't affect me one way or another where you go, but you're way overthinking this. Republic is the best option in NYC, period. Your fears of only being ~45 minutes inside the callout is pretty silly to those of us that have done it. And I mean that in a good way. I'd kill to have a 1 hour drive to my base. VERY few reserve calls are 2 hour callouts. Maybe 1 in 15-20. Many are for the next day. And you can generally figure out where you fall in the reserve pecking order using our software and/or just calling Crew Scheduling.

All for just a couple of months of reserve.

The point isn't what you make after 10 years it is what you make after 3 years. Republic would be the highest by far. Endeavor may have slightly higher pay rates but it will take you longer to get that CA pay there. In this upcoming hiring environment is that something you want to sacrifice for low QOL and crappy pay at Envoy?

I have heard that if you work 10 years at Endeavor you’ll receive travel benefits for life for you and your family on Delta. Includes children up to 23. I believe it’s the same for Envoy with AA. Does Republic have something similar?

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Ask ASA/XJT how the "lifetime" travel benefits worked with Delta for them.

This is sadly all too true.

Nothing is guaranteed in the regional world. Get your time and get out. Do not plan a 15 year career at a regional.

Someone already replied to this, I'll add a little bit. I live in central NJ. I was LGA based at first, on reserve and I live about 1:35 from LGA. 2 + at rush hour. I would get 3am reserve start. Set my alarm for 3, check phone, no call? back to sleep for an hour. Get up shower dress and head for the turnpike. Sit for a couple hours at the closest rest stop to the GW, read a book, then start home. This lasted all of 3 months, then I was given a line. (I went back to bidding reserves because I preferred weekends off, but that's on me)

3 am reserve ends at 1 pm. They have to give you two hours to get there (unless you waive it) and your pairing has to start within your reserve period, so, at 11 you're off the clock. (if you didn't get called).

I stayed on reserve at my choice for about 5 mos, got the 2 hour call out maybe 3 or 4 times. Even if the assignment was the same day as the call, it was most often several hours out.

You can also proactively drop some reserve days for open time, or so it seems. I didn't do that but it looks like the folks on reserve are doing so. I think you can drop a reserve day at the start or end of a group of days and add it to a day off to pick up a pairing but I don't know all the details. So less actual reserve days.

[QUOTE=lbell;2939049]Fixed it for you by moving the Delta interview to a con. The failure rate of the DGI is over 50%, less than 25% of Endeavor pilots go to Delta based on the last year of attrition data. I also moved the "LGA and JFK bases" to a con for codomocile. You have to cover both airports and they only give a $50 stipend to do so. There is no shuttle any more. Enjoy that one can ride!

If you want to come to Endeavor to sit a long reserve in an NYC codomocile, have fun. Just don't come here for a fast upgrade or the delusion that we offer a good path to Delta.

[QUOTE=Green Needles;2939854]This is great to know, thank you. Any idea how long reserve ir around right now in NY?

Based off the fact that you have 14 years until retirement, I’d consider Envoy. If you work for AAG (the parent company that owns the 3 regionals and mainline), you’ll get AA flight benefits for life!

Someone who wants to go to Delta still has a higher chance of going to Delta with the DGI than if they go somewhere else and try completely off the street.

Great advice, thank you.

Off the street interviews are around 80% pass rate. DGI is 48%.

The 80% for OTS includes second interviews and your DGI number doesn't. Numbers aren't nearly so disparate if you include second chances. Add in that OTS must as a matter of course have much more competitive resumes to even get the interview and trying to make it like you're comparing apples to apples is laughable.

Once we factor in second interviews, the success rates jump from 48% to 52%. Wow! Such disparity! You make my point for me by reinforcing out the fact that OTS guys are more competitive and "better" candidates in the eye of Delta. I guess you're right, OTS vs DGI isn't exactly apples to apples. It's nice shiny perfect apples compared to bruised and partially rotten apples that have to be put in the bag too. Just because they're in the bag doesn't mean Delta has to eat them. If someone wants to come here, fine. Just don't do it under the delusion that the DGI is a good path to Delta.

Baradium, I know you like Delta's Kool aid. That's fine, have another glass. Don't come on here with a sales pitch trying to get new guys in the door with your propaganda. I'm giving hard facts as published by our company.

Is that the actual official number now? That's much lower than it was when I was there. Additionally, I'd like to know the percentage of those offered the second interview actually taking it. My understanding is OTS and from EDV the second interview rate is around 50% for both.

And yes, you still put words in my mouth. My entire point is that the OTS candidates have had to run through a massive gauntlet already to get the interview, when you compare DGI rates to those who can't even get an interview they look much better. Do I think they should be higher? Yes. But it's still better than trying to get in OTS.

Any thoughts on culture at Envoy vs. Republic?
Quality of routes and overnights?
And when it comes to nonrev, are Republic pilots able to travel easily or does the low priority list status make it difficult?

Not sure about culture, but pilots seem to be happy at Republic. Route and overnights are probably a little more diverse at Republic because you are flying for all three code-shares and staying at many different cities based on who you are flying for that trip.

As far as non-reving, Envoy has nice priority on AA. But having non-rev benefits for the big three does leave you a whole lot of options when trying to get somewhere, even if you are low on all three.

Agreed. This saved my butt in New Zealand. AA was oversold for days and none of the non revs were making it out, but being able to list and get a decent priority on United got me out on the first try.

Any new thoughts on these 3 regionals in NYC based on reserve times, upgrade times and quality of life?

I can only speak for Envoy.
1. The culture is better than what it appears here, however it still has some work to go with management. The company has improved leaps and bounds over the years and the crews you fly with are almost always solid.
2. Routes and overnights are base dependent. On the 175, I would say DFW has far and away the best overnights and trip schedules. ORD is pretty much the same crappy overnights every trip. Envoy also gets the scraps when it comes to flying, as our none wholly owned brethren get first choice on the AA flights packet. Whats left is what we get. Lots of long sits.
3. Envoy non-rev is second to none in my opinion. Sure, AA like to oversell flights which can be a ***** and certain commutes like DFW-ORD can be horrendous, but generally it works pretty well. If you factor in international travel it gets even better.

As for LGA, I know we are starting to turns out of there on the 175 from ORD, so who knows what is going to happen. We have something like 20 more planes coming this year with very little guidance on where they will officially end up, so the rumor mill is churning at full speed. If you want to based in NYC, that won't be a problem at Envoy, just expect the 145.

Skywest is going away. Otherwise no.

I'd avoid endeavor. We are seriously understaffed and it's only going to get worse with our mainline overlords not valuing our contributions. Go envoy. Have a guaranteed job at mainline without ever having to interview again. Keep your apps updated at the mainline carriers you are interested in while you're there. You never know who will call.

Great information, I really appreciate it. Does anyone know about long reserve is for LGA currently? I heard Republic has the shortest reserve out of the 3, I would really appreciate any insight.