Best Regional NYC Envoy, Endeavor or Republic
 

Just curious what the best regional would be for a New York base. Reserve time, upgrade times, salary, benefits, planes and anything else. Thank you in advance.

Republic, followed by Republic and then maybe Endeavor.

Thank you, could you please provide some reasons why? I would greatly appreciate it.

Republic and Endeavor are great companies to work for with decent QOL but one of their biggest issues is that there isn't as much movement at those companies due to a lack of CPP/Aviate/Flow/DGI, whatever you want to call it these days. Envoy may not have the best work rules but every month (as long as AA is hiring) there's a constant skimming of the top 20 guys at the company which means movement on the seniority list and quick upgrades. At 950 hours they'll upgrade you whether you'd like to or not. Additionally JFK/LGA is fairly junior so you will get it right out of class or within 2-3 months worst comes to worst. Envoy also only runs the 140/145 out of NYC so if chasing the 175 or CRJ is your dream then Envoy's not going to work.

Thank you for all the great information, I really appreciate it. Is flying the 175 or CRJ that much better than a 145? I would love to hear comments on the different planes.

Of the three mentioned, only Envoy guarantees you a job at AA if you aren’t hired elsewhere first.

Nothing in life is guaranteed. Do you have very decent shot of getting to AA, absolutely, but until you're sitting at AA indoc nobody really knows. As far as CRJ v 175 v 145. The 175 is obviously the better plane than the 145 or CRJ (yes even the -900). Is it really that much better to a point to pick one company over another....thats for you to decide. What I will say is Envoy's 145 flying out of NYC is pretty decent in terms of the type of flying they do. No 4-5 leg days and flight are usually 1.5 hours+

I’ve flown the 175, the Dash 8, and now the 145. I can tell you that the career is more important than the plane. Especially at the regional level.
You can be a plane snob when you get to mainline.

Thank you everyone for all of the valuable information. Can anyone chime in on how long the current reserve time is on the 3 that I mentioned? I have heard that Endeavor was longer than the other 2 but was curious by how much.

Endeavor's reserve is long, and Endeavor has a glut of 2017 hires who are holding things up movement-wise. It's not a bad airline, but it's not a good pick for time-building and upgrades right now.

Republic has a lot of the same pay/QOL perks as Endeavor (and some better), but it doesn't have the same glut of pilots.

Envoy QOL is by far the worst of the three, and you can probably get a job somewhere else before you flow in nine years. Unless AA is your goal, it isn't worth it.

So it sounds like Republic is the best choice of the 3 as of right now. I really appreciate all the information.

Republic is a good company, with good planes, and good routes. The problem is that there isn't that much movement there because a lack of a career movement platform like CPP/Aviate/Flow/DGI whatever. Endeavor is a good company but you won't fly because of the long reserve times. Out of the 3 you should honestly look at Envoy.

This is not accurate. So many of our pilots have moved on we’re at a net loss for 2019 so far. Our pilots go to all 3 legacies, Spirit, Frontier, Southwest, & ACMI’s.


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I'm not saying that there is zero movement, I'm saying that there is less movement which has to be true. The same is said for people at Envoy, people leave for all 3 legacies, Spirit, Frontier, Southwest, & ACMI’s as well. But additionally there are 20 people who leave off the top every month. Republic is a great carrier, I have a bunch of friends there and everyone is more than happy. I've said that Republic is a great carrier, with great airplanes, and great routes (look up a couple posts). I'm not trying to get into any type of argument, we're all pilots all looking out for each other, but good or bad, it's just a non argumentative fact that Envoy loses more people every year than Republic.

I apologize for not being clearer.

This is the only part of the post I’m responding to. There is quite a bit of movement!

Is it as much as Envoy? I have no idea.

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No worries!

This is all great information, thank you guys. Please keep it coming.

Republic seems to be the flavor of the kool aid for the last 6 months or so. Before that, it was Endeavor. Personally, I would go Envoy, put the flow in the back pocket while you can still apply to other places including AA (off the street).


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Republic averages over 33 pilots leaving each month. I'd be curious to see how many leave from Envoy outside of the flow. It may well be more than 13 (I'd bet it is, actually), but I also don't think it's so different as to be a relevant point one way or the other.

It's an interesting exercise, though!

This is turning out to be a very difficult decision between the 3. The pluses and minuses I see so far are.

Envoy
Pluses
1) 3 hour call out
2) AA flow
3) Possibly shorter reserve times
4) Possibly faster upgrade to captain
Minuses
1) Driving to LGA (from South shore eastern Long Island)
2) Quality of life not as good as 2 others?

Endeavor
Pluses
1) LGA & JFK base
2) Driving to JFK after a little seniority
3) 2 1/2 call out to JFK better than LGA
4) Highest pay for regional, at least that’s what they say
5) Good quality of life
6) CRJ 900
7) Delta interview
Minuses
1) Possibly longer reserve times
2) Possibly longer upgrade to captain

Republic
1) Possibly shorter reserve time
2) Not sitting in the airport on reserve all day
3) No junior manning
4) E175
5) Good quality of life
6) Better Pilot contract?
Minuses
1) 2 hour call out
2) Driving to LGA
3) Possibly longer upgrade to captain

I would greatly appreciate anymore I might have missed plus your thoughts and experiences.

At Republic you can upgrade around 18 months which is around how long it'll take to build 1000 121. Upgrade times have really come down over the past 6 months or so. Not sure about Envoy, but I know Endeavor guys who few less than 20 hours on reserve. That coupled with a long time on reserve make it hard to build time quickly. Last time I checked, in LGA and EWR bases, you'll only be on reserve a few months after hitting the line.

The co-terminal base at Endeavor can be a plus or a minus. Once you have a line and some seniority, you might even find that some of the LGA trips are better than JFK trips... or the drive could negate that. You can bid either way... there is an avoid LGA option in PBS.

No arguments on the pay or QOL, particularly once you're off reserve.

The 900 is nice, but in NYC, the 200 schedules are pretty good, and you might get senior on the plane quicker. YMMV.

The Delta interview is nice, but you've got it ranked in the correct place... it's a guaranteed interview, but hardly a guaranteed job.

Reserve and upgrade times are certainly longer for now than Republic. Upgrade times are probably longer than Envoy... don’t know about reserve.

Does Endeavor train you for both the 200 and 900 at the same time?

Envoy lost 60 pilots last month to flow and outside attrition.

Good info, thanks!

60? That's insane. As for upgrade times at Envoy, its as soon as you hit 950 hours. They're gonna send you to the left seat as soon as you hit your minimums whether you're ready or not so soak up as much as you can!

Envoy does have a LGA & JFK co-domicile as well. There is a bit less flying out of JFK than LGA though. Just pointing it out since you wrote that in the plusses for Endeavor for consistency

Great to know, thank you. Now I’m even more undecided...

JFK flying is/was suppose to pick up quite a bit as well with a reduction of LGA flying. Just throw in an application with Envoy and Republic and see who bites first/offers an earlier class date. If they're within a couple weeks of each other, Envoy is honestly a great carrier which also seems to check all of your boxes. If they can't get you into class for a while and Republics offering something immediately, go ahead and start practicing "Brickyard" in the mirror.

Thank you, the hard part is I have offers from all 3 with the same class date. I wish I could work for all of them, ughhhhhhhh. Is the 175 really the cat’s meow of the regional jets?

#itsagoodtimetobeapilot

[QUOTE=Skyhawkie;2938656]This is turning out to be a very difficult decision between the 3. The pluses and minuses I see so far are.

Envoy
Pluses
1) 3 hour call out
2) AA flow
3) Possibly shorter reserve times
4) Possibly faster upgrade to captain
Minuses
1) Driving to LGA (from South shore eastern Long Island)
2) Quality of life not as good as 2 others?

Endeavor
Pluses
1) LGA & JFK base
2) Driving to JFK after a little seniority
3) 2 1/2 call out to JFK better than LGA
4) Highest pay for regional, at least that’s what they say
5) Good quality of life
6) CRJ 900
7) Delta interview
Minuses
1) Possibly longer reserve times
2) Possibly longer upgrade to captain

Republic
1) Possibly shorter reserve time
2) Not sitting in the airport on reserve all day
3) No junior manning
4) E175
5) Good quality of life
6) Better Pilot contract?
Minuses
1) 2 hour call out
2) Driving to LGA
3) Possibly longer upgrade to captain

#5 at Republic needs HIGHER consideration
Ask Envoy Pilots how much their minimum trip guarantee is for a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 day trip vs Republic & Endeavor.

Example: You get called out to fly LGA - BOS, layover, then the next day fly back BOS- LGA and you are done. At Republic, you'll get credited approx 8.5 hrs for that trip.....

Who cares, you still never break guarantee at either off reserve.

Nope. It's one or the other, like 175 or 145 at Envoy. There's an 18 month seat lock.

Do you mean the guaranteed 75 hour per month? Sorry, this is all new to me and I’m trying to learn as mush as I can before making a decision. Thank you everyone for all your insightful input.

[QUOTE=lbell;2939049]Thank you, I was not listing these in order of importance. I was just writing them out as they popped up in my mind. I have spoken to a Republic Pilot and an Endeavor pilot who both said the quality of life is great at both.

Thank you, good to know.

When you're on rsv you're getting paid a guaranteed flat 75 hours a month regardless if you fly 75 hours or 7 hours. If you end up flying 80 hours that month lets say, you'll get your 75 hours guarantee with an additional 5 hours at your hourly rate. The thing is that that will never happen. Reservists will be lucky to fly 50 hours a month. As to your other question is the 175 a great airplane, absolutely, theres no question that its better than the 145 or CRJ. Is it however worth it to choose a company based off of it, not in my opinion... If you talk to enough people, the general sentiment if that you should never chase metal. They're all jets, their time is all counted the same. PM sent.

Thank you, I’m just trying to find the best regional for my needs and it seems like all 3 have great benefits. I have heard that too, I should not be chasing metal. It sounds like I might move up the fastest with Envoy but a better quality of life with Republic and Endeavor. I was also planning on staying at a regional because I only have about 14 years before mandatory retirement. I’m not sure if that makes much of a difference in the decision making process.

I've never worked at Envoy, but, it seems to me they have a worse QOL than the other two, if you were planning on staying for a while, I might re-think that idea.

Having said that, 14 years is a LOOONNNGGG time in this industry at this time. If you check the boxes you could still make a legacy for 10 years.