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Old 01-22-2020 | 12:35 PM
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You could look at Purdue. They have a very good aviation program and Frontier has a deal with them... they are hiring CFIs at Frontier from Purdue with only1500 hours. It’s definitely something to consider... knocks out degree and skips the regional. If I were starting today, this would be a definite consideration.

Also, he could go to Purdue, apply for an ROTC scholarship (Army, AF, or Navy available there) and have his school mostly paid for. AF ROTC on a Guaranteed Air National Guard scholarship and he likely can fly in the Air Guard as well...

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Old 01-22-2020 | 12:55 PM
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Bang out the hours while taking classes on the side, with a focus on getting the hours. Getting to a regional and building time should be a priority. I did my associates degree while getting my hours, and have been at a regional for a little over a year and am finishing up my bachelors degree. Seniority, 121 time, and a degree is everything. I do schoolwork at home and on trips and find it to be manageable.
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Old 01-22-2020 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Av8tor0773
You could look at Purdue. They have a very good aviation program and Frontier has a deal with them... they are hiring CFIs at Frontier from Purdue with only1500 hours. It’s definitely something to consider... knocks out degree and skips the regional. If I were starting today, this would be a definite consideration.

Also, he could go to Purdue, apply for an ROTC scholarship (Army, AF, or Navy available there) and have his school mostly paid for. AF ROTC on a Guaranteed Air National Guard scholarship and he likely can fly in the Air Guard as well...

Many options.




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Doesn't United have something like this as well. It seems the way the majors are looking forward at direct path entry with all the retirements coming in the next 10 years. I would try this route first. Also at a school like Purdue or WM you can make contacts which all civilian candidate are paramount.
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Old 01-22-2020 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BeechPilot33
Doesn't United have something like this as well. It seems the way the majors are looking forward at direct path entry with all the retirements coming in the next 10 years. I would try this route first. Also at a school like Purdue or WM you can make contacts which all civilian candidate are paramount.


I’m not sure about United... but I do think they have some sort of a cadet program, but I don’t know any of the details.


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Old 01-22-2020 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Get started now on weekends and school breaks. Proceed with normal college path and get as many ratings as possible on school breaks. Hopefully have CFI by junior year in college and instruct as a part time job while finishing his degree. Make a couple bucks and build time instead of waiting tables. Get a degree in anything that’s not a joke and hit the regionals the day after graduation.

I feel like college teaches a person a lot about themselves and it’s an absolute blast if you don’t go to an all aviation school full of pilots. I wouldn’t skip it for ATP and an online degree.
I fully agree with this. Go to a normal college, have a fun social life with non aviation students, and do the aviation thing on the side. Best case scenario as stated above, he can get the CFI and hopefully instruct part time while in college. However if we have another 2008 when he gets to that point, which is what happened to me, at least he'll be waiting tables and still have a real college along with a social circle of other students his age to interact with. I lived in small towns and did the whole commuter/satellite/online college deal in 2004-10 and while it eventually all worked out, my late teens/early 20s was one of the most miserable times of my life because of it.
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Old 01-22-2020 | 02:52 PM
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Get the degree however he'd like, and stick to part 61 for the flight training. Pilot mills will get one a license, but they are less apt to make one a pilot. In addition, the degree would be much cheaper if the word "aviation" isn't attached to it.

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Old 01-22-2020 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
Get the degree however he'd like, and stick to part 61 for the flight training. Pilot mills will get one a license, but they are less apt to make one a pilot. In addition, the degree would be much cheaper if the word "aviation" isn't attached to it.

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Old 01-22-2020 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hossharris
Look at the restricted atp minimums. I understand they change depending on where you get your instrument and commercial.

ie if you go through a university program, it’s 750 hrs but if you get it on your own, it’s 1000
hrs.

don’t know all the details.... just something I heard recently
r-ATP at 750 is for military trained pilots.
University programs are 1000 or 1250, depending on the program.
Restricted ATP can be had at 1500 for everyone else if they are short on the 500 cross country or if they are at least 21 years old but not 23.
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Old 01-22-2020 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Av8tor0773
Also, he could go to Purdue, apply for an ROTC scholarship (Army, AF, or Navy available there) and have his school mostly paid for. AF ROTC on a Guaranteed Air National Guard scholarship and he likely can fly in the Air Guard as well...

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The OP said that his son is not interested in the military route.
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Old 01-22-2020 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Av8tor0773
I’m not sure about United... but I do think they have some sort of a cadet program, but I don’t know any of the details.


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United does have University pathways that require you to go through one of their Aviate partnered regional airlines. They direct from CFI to United has been halted.
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