Are flowbacks possible?
 

Just curious about all of your flow agreements. Are flowbacks possible if the mainline carriers furlough?

No.... next


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Are you answering for all agreements? Or just 1?

Not at Envoy.

United has some kind of flow back to UAX if the furloughs go deep enough. Problem is UAX is looking at deep cuts, parking jets and furloughs as well. Do some UAX guys get bumped to make way for mainline? Not likely since they never had a flow-up in the first place, uncharted territory.

What does your contract say?

answer is likely no.

Where does it say anywhere United has flow back?

United doesn’t have a flow back. There are furlough protections in our contract though. If we furlough back to January 2016 all 76 seat jets have to be reconfigured to 70 seats, and any airline operating those jets has to hire furloughed United pilots as new hires, but starting at second year pay. No flow back into captain seats like before.

How does that work for employees at regionals then? Do the United pilots come in at high seniority, or do they start again at the bottom? If they start at the bottom that doesn't sound very useful since regionals won't be hiring anyway, and any United pilots that come in will immediately be furloughed upon being hired...

Jets for Jobs.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...tage-jets-jobs

delta has a flow back for 500 pilots in exchange for 35 large RJs, but since it was to compass it remains to be seen how it would play out

It sounds like no seniority. Just a job at second year pay.

That is exactly what it is, and it only gets triggered if we furlough beyond January 2016. Any furloughed United pilot would be put on the list just like any other new hire, except at second year pay and they can’t be forced to resign their United seniority number. This was written when the norm was for the legacy to furlough and the regional to expand. Who the he!! Could have seen this one coming. This is just nuts.

Hard to see how you can have a flow back when there is no flow-up.

It all depends on what is in a contract. Apparently Delta negotiated a limited flow back for some pilots in exchange for more rj’s. United doesn’t have flow back, just a requirement to hire furloughed United pilots at the bottom, but at 2nd year pay.

only if you fail training at AA can you flow back to PSA.

Which UAX carriers? The one that they "own" in XJT? Or the ones that just signed up for that awesomely great AVIATE program? Do you think other UAX carriers like SkyWest, Mesa, or Republic are going to allow flowbacks? I mean, what agreements are in place here? Serious question.

There is no flow back. The only thing in place is a requirement for any UAX carrier operating 70 or 76 seat jets to hire furloughed pilots as new hires but at second year pay. If those carriers are not hiring, it doesn’t really matter.

Not for PDT

Republic has a clause in their contract to hire pilots back that left and now fly airplanes with more then like 86 seats or cargo over 100,000 lbs. you keep your seniority for a bit too.

They have to be hiring for it to Work which is not the case right now.


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All of the original compass group has flowed. While the agreement was originally for Northwest and subsequently Delta, Compass no longer exists. The company was sold to TSA. I highly doubt any of our former compass group would go back to the 175, many of which hold left seat 73/71.