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havick206 03-21-2020 05:53 PM

Main thing is not to accept concessions on pay rates etc. you’ll never get it back.

ZR29907 03-21-2020 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 3006882)
Main thing is not to accept concessions on pay rates etc. you’ll never get it back.

Agree. Full pay until the last day, no concessions.

threeighteen 03-21-2020 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 3006882)
Main thing is not to accept concessions on pay rates etc. you’ll never get it back.

Well said, for any other type of concession (monthly guarantees, etc), it needs to be done in a month-by-month temporary agreement that has a defined expiration date.

stillcantfly 03-21-2020 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by LoneStar32 (Post 3006869)
Yes, that is the best deal out there right now out of all the Regionals. 50 hours to sit home all month? Where do I sign up? And they are the ones without a Union, go figure?

with you man.

Beehan 03-21-2020 07:33 PM

I believe that 50 hours pay deal is just for 1 month. After that, who knows

Flymeaway 03-21-2020 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by Beehan (Post 3007003)
I believe that 50 hours pay deal is just for 1 month. After that, who knows

Correct, it's month to month.

dera 03-21-2020 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3006856)
Envoy MEC says we should just fly, fly, fly and let them change our schedules as they see fit. We are to just accept it and move forward because it isn’t their fault.

completely bow to what managment wants.

Last time I checked, we are one of the few who are still pay protected with no concessions.
Are you seriously complaining that they can cancel flights while getting paid for them?

Cyio 03-22-2020 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3007092)
Last time I checked, we are one of the few who are still pay protected with no concessions.
Are you seriously complaining that they can cancel flights while getting paid for them?

Yes dera I am saying that. Take a look at Skywest, they have an amazing deal and did it all without a union. I know you are part of that system now, so naturally you are going to defend it even more, but our union has done nothing for us on this issue.

The company is exposing us to greater risk using this approach and it will simply mean more long mid-day sits and more being stuck at outstations until they figure out what to do with us. Mid-day sits in base are not covered for pilots in terms of a free hotel, so plan on using a commuter. If you burn trough them, plan on buying your own or sitting on a bench. I would much rather be able to choose to stay at home and still know I will get some sort of pay, not asking for the entire thing here, but something.

Lets not fool ourselves here either, the company will receive relief from the government on this and will be able to recoup losses related to crew/personnel. so they could have done the right thing. Per the usual, our union has come out and essentially defended the company while asking us to conserve fuel with nothing going in our favor or looking out for us.

chrisreedrules 03-22-2020 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3006145)
A *common* consensus among major pilots who lived through it last time is don't give concessions because that will just be used as a lower set-point when they file BK... better to lose 40% of 100%, rather than 40% of 60%.

Apparently there's no legal mechanism for a "snap-back" provision which would survive a BK filing... courts will only care what your pay was going in, they won't care how you got there.

Sure... But you do realize all leverage is gone. And regionals never had a ton of leverage to begin with. The only saving grace for regionals for the past few years has been the exponential growth the legacies were trying to support necessitating throwing money at staffing the regionals. That has ended as of February 2020.

Make no mistake, the legacies will not be thinking strategically so to speak in the coming months. They will be thinking only of survival. Low cost over performance is going to become a critical factor all over again and watch... the whipsaw is alive and well. Get ready for it. Only this time the need to reduce capacity is more critical than it was in prior industry events. This is going to get nasty.

BobbyLeeSwagger 03-22-2020 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3007374)
Sure... But you do realize all leverage is gone. And regionals never had a ton of leverage to begin with. The only saving grace for regionals for the past few years has been the exponential growth the legacies were trying to support necessitating throwing money at staffing the regionals. That has ended as of February 2020.

Make no mistake, the legacies will not be thinking strategically so to speak in the coming months. They will be thinking only of survival. Low cost over performance is going to become a critical factor all over again and watch... the whipsaw is alive and well. Get ready for it. Only this time the need to reduce capacity is more critical than it was in prior industry events. This is going to get nasty.

100% agree.. I think we could be heading back to low regional pay with a line out the door and no end to whipsawing in sight. Hopefully it doesn't last very long


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