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Not an issue...I have a friend that flys for United and just upgraded to Captain flying internationally and does not meet the PIC requirements...he just has the waiver...really it's not a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Past V1 (Post 169780)

Not an issue...I have a friend that flys for United and just upgraded to Captain flying internationally and does not meet the PIC requirements...he just has the waiver...really it's not a big deal.

You sure it's not a she?

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Originally Posted by cbire880 (Post 169776)

Wouldn't you still be ok if you were flying US registered aircraft? I believe the ICAO stuff only applies if you want to convert your US ticket to a foreign on to fly foreign registered aircraft.

No. If flying internationally, you must meet the ICAO requirements...that is the whole point of ICAO, it allows ICAO member planes and pilots to fly in each other's countries without meeting the exact local requirements. If you want to convert your tickets to JAA or CAA or whatever you must meet all the local requirements, take their tests and checkrides.

I think canada has a different agreement with the US and will allow a non-ICAO ATP, but mexico will not.

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Originally Posted by Past V1 (Post 169780)

Not an issue...I have a friend that flys for United and just upgraded to Captain flying internationally and does not meet the PIC requirements...he just has the waiver...really it's not a big deal.

This is very unlikely...the FAA can't waive the ICAO requirements. They would have to be waived by each member nation which desired to allow your friend to fly in their country. Many regionals won't upgrade FO's who don't meet ICAO...why in the h*ll would UAL? At the very least UAL would upgrade your friend and keep him domestic until he has the PIC.

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Originally Posted by Past V1 (Post 169780)

Not an issue...I have a friend that flys for United and just upgraded to Captain flying internationally and does not meet the PIC requirements...he just has the waiver...really it's not a big deal.

I find it very hard to believe that any pilot that just upgraded to international (and presumably heavy aircraft) captain doesn't meet the PIC requirements to obtain an ATP...

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Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 169835)

You sure it's not a she?

and what if it was a she? what would that mean huh?

Most people who go to majors have enough PIC in their logbooks to satisfy ATP mins at the very least. Many majors however seem to have soft spots for certain groups that are minorities in aviation.

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Originally Posted by duvie (Post 169932)

Most people who go to majors have enough PIC in their logbooks to satisfy ATP mins at the very least. Many majors however seem to have soft spots for certain groups that are minorities in aviation.

a certain group........nice....

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Originally Posted by sflpilot (Post 169774)

They may not be able to fly international, not sure but this could be an issue at many regionals.

(d) An applicant may be issued an airline transport pilot certificate with the endorsement, “Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO,” as prescribed by Article 39 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation, if the applicant:
(1) Credits second-in-command or flight-engineer time under paragraph (c) of this section toward the 1,500 hours total flight time requirement of paragraph (a) of this section;
(2) Does not have at least 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot, including no more than 50 percent of his or her second-in-command time and none of his or her flight-engineer time; and
(3) Otherwise meets the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section.
(e) When the applicant specified in paragraph (d) of this section presents satisfactory evidence of the accumulation of 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot including no more than 50 percent of his or her second-in-command flight time and none of his or her flight-engineer time, the applicant is entitled to an airline transport pilot certificate without the endorsement prescribed in that paragraph.

My inital ATP license had this limitation. I had to fly more (as SIC) and then resubmit an 8710 and had the limitation removed. It was just a paperwork drill...no additional testing.
I had about 600 PIC hours and a total of 1600 time when I got my ATP. Hope this helps.
P.S. I was not acting as a PIC at the airline I was flying for at the time. We also did not operate internationally. I got my ATP myself...not during airline training.

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Originally Posted by Paok (Post 169929)

and what if it was a she? what would that mean huh?

You obviously are not familiar with UAL's hiring practices that existed from the early 90's till 9/11. Lots of non-males, many with VERY low flight times when they got hired. When I say low, I mean low. They had to UP their published mins to what are the requirements for an ATP.

So the statement I made was a joke about how UAL used to hire, not non male pilots. Get it?