soon2bfo

In light of the fact that 250 hour wonder pilots are flying RJ's... How do people who have been hired with less than 250 PIC at a regional satisfy that particular requirement when it is upgrade time? Do they just credit the time as flying pilot as "time performing duties and functions of the PIC", or is there a more strict definition that requires them to actually act like the captain and perform their duties accordingly?

Here's the FAR, ugh I mean CFR...

250 hr. of flight time as PIC of an airplane, or as SIC performing the duties and functions of a PIC under the supervision of a PIC, or by any combination of the two. This requirement must include

1. 100 hr. of cross-country time
2. 25 hr. of night flight time

Radar

The Captain has to sign your log book acknowledging that you acted in the capacity of and performed the duties of PIC during a particular flight. If I remember correctly...

s10an

According to rumors, this issue came up with one of the captain upgrades at Trans states. They found a way around it, so it can be done.

CL65driver

I was under the impression that the only person who can log PIC in a 121 environment is the person whose signature is on the flight release... which will be the captain's?

Looks like the 250 hour wonders might have to hop back into the almighty 172 again before upgrading..

FlyerJosh

Sure, but that doesn't mean that an SIC can't perform the duties and functions of a PIC... Upgrade IOE is a perfect example. The new CA isn't fully qualified to act as the PIC, but is doing so under an instructors supervision.

flynavyj

josh,

while an ioe captain upgrade isn't fully "capable" he is fully legal to perform the duties of the captain, he simply hasnt been released to the line yet. Heck, a couple of high-min's captains i've met still aren't capable, although they're legal and released.

AV8ER

I've heard the FAA cab give waivers for the PIC requirement...don't know if thats true though.

CL65driver

I see where you're coming from, Josh, and agree with you. What I was talking about was FOs not being able to log PIC, even if they have a type rating in that aircraft. I do understand that UOE is a different beast all together.

sflpilot

They may not be able to fly international, not sure but this could be an issue at many regionals.

(d) An applicant may be issued an airline transport pilot certificate with the endorsement, “Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO,” as prescribed by Article 39 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation, if the applicant:
(1) Credits second-in-command or flight-engineer time under paragraph (c) of this section toward the 1,500 hours total flight time requirement of paragraph (a) of this section;
(2) Does not have at least 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot, including no more than 50 percent of his or her second-in-command time and none of his or her flight-engineer time; and
(3) Otherwise meets the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section.
(e) When the applicant specified in paragraph (d) of this section presents satisfactory evidence of the accumulation of 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot including no more than 50 percent of his or her second-in-command flight time and none of his or her flight-engineer time, the applicant is entitled to an airline transport pilot certificate without the endorsement prescribed in that paragraph.

cbire880

Wouldn't you still be ok if you were flying US registered aircraft? I believe the ICAO stuff only applies if you want to convert your US ticket to a foreign on to fly foreign registered aircraft.