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pitchtrim 07-25-2020 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by neverposts (Post 3098806)
"I'd be like sure I'll retake my private, just come observe me in the 777 sim on my next recurrent."

You went from ppl to the 777 in ten years? Must be nice...

16 but who's counting.

UnbeatenPath 07-25-2020 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by neverposts (Post 3098806)
"I'd be like sure I'll retake my private, just come observe me in the 777 sim on my next recurrent."

You went from ppl to the 777 in ten years? Must be nice...

I would argue that it's possible in 5 if you go the ACMI route

pitchtrim 07-25-2020 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by UnbeatenPath (Post 3098864)
I would argue that it's possible in 5 if you go the ACMI route

That is certainly true. I know a guy/kid who barely had 1500 hours and that's what happened with him.

neverposts 07-25-2020 06:48 AM

I wasn't talking about acmi. There is a 22 year old thats the youngest 777 FO at southern. I'm talking about getting on with the big 3. How many pilots go from private pilot to american or united or delta in less than ten years? 14 years in the military ten years to flow through roughly and probably more than ten years to climb the ladder on the civilian side.

rickair7777 07-25-2020 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 3098764)
Who is the ‘they love in this logic of “how did they” let this go on so long?
The ‘they’d’ are an unscrupulous DPE and all of the unscrupulous pilots who loved the fact they THEY got an easy/incomplete/or nonexistent checkride and still walked away with their new ticket.

Some of the posters also need to actually read the document to understand how different certificates and such are handle or the scheduling is being arraigned (e.g. no you don’t need to take your PVT checkride again if you are flying a -777)

Yes if you're in heavy metal and you got your ATP in 121/135 or from any other examiner you're good for work. Worst that would be on hold would be PPL and/or CPL, if you actually still had that on your cert (most of us still have an ASEL CPL). Also CFI, that would suck.

But it would be possible if you came to the airlines with an ATP in hand to have multiple type ratings, but still have your original ATP in jeopardy if issued by the guy in question.

rickair7777 07-25-2020 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by ObadiahDogberry (Post 3098775)
Germans are nowhere near as efficient and straight laced as you'd think. In so many ways Germany is like going back in time 30 years. In most smaller cities it is hard to find a place that accepts credit cards. Since living in Europe I have completely abandoned cash except when I go to Germany. I have been rudely surprised by Germany's love affair with cash more than once. Last summer I had to spend an hour running around Hildesheim in a downpour trying to find an ATM because we couldn't find a restaurant that would take cards. Happened a few years ago on the outskirts of Munich as well. I am sure you don't need to be reminded of the efficiency of the new Berlin airport. My experiences with Germany have been nowhere near as efficient as they have been in their neighboring countries, particularly the ones to the north. I have worked with many German pilots for the past several years, and none of them are happy with the German CAA, and the general recommendation in Europe is, if possible, to avoid getting licensed through Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, and Germany because they all are well known for headaches.
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That's a good way of putting it... they were pretty darn efficient in the 19th century, wrote the books on modern warfare. By comparison to their peers they were pretty darn efficient during the Big One. Today they are pretty darn efficient... for the 1970's. Touristy areas are more willing to ease the transition of your money, off the beaten path it's like you said.

USMCFLYR 07-25-2020 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3098885)
Yes if you're in heavy metal and you got your ATP in 121/135 or from any other examiner you're good for work. Worst that would be on hold would be PPL and/or CPL, if you actually still had that on your cert (most of us still have an ASEL CPL). Also CFI, that would suck.

But it would be possible if you came to the airlines with an ATP in hand to have multiple type ratings, but still have your original ATP in jeopardy if issued by the guy in question.

if you had your ATP issued by the person yes....but I was addressing the actual question the poster opined.
when you actually take time to read the letter issued then you see that is impossible but you had every ticket issued by said examiner which again I think is impossible so it is a moot point.

highfarfast 07-25-2020 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 3098764)
Who is the ‘they love in this logic of “how did they” let this go on so long?
The ‘they’d’ are an unscrupulous DPE and all of the unscrupulous pilots who loved the fact they THEY got an easy/incomplete/or nonexistent checkride and still walked away with their new ticket.

Some of the posters also need to actually read the document to understand how different certificates and such are handle or the scheduling is being arraigned (e.g. no you don’t need to take your PVT checkride again if you are flying a -777)

I’m willing to bet not every one of the pilots that scheduled an exam with this dude knew he was unscrupulous and may have felt that had gotten a real checkride. I feel bad for those guys. Two weeks to catch up on something you may not have done in years is tough.

As to the rest of your post about people needing to read the doc (I did out of curiosity), I take these posts about come see me in my 777 as more in jest. No reason to take it seriously. You should too.

USMCFLYR 07-25-2020 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3099015)
I’m willing to bet not every one of the pilots that scheduled an exam with this dude knew he was unscrupulous and may have felt that had gotten a real checkride. I feel bad for those guys. Two weeks to catch up on something you may not have done in years is tough.

As to the rest of your post about people needing to read the doc (I did out of curiosity), I take these posts about come see me in my 777 as more in jest. No reason to take it seriously. You should too.

I took some of it in jest, some of it as people are uneducated about what the document actually says. Those who wrote what they wrote know which category they fall in. Many may have had real checkrides. We don’t know. I feel sorry for those that may have. They got caught up in unscrupulous actions. It is one those people that screwed their fellow pilots over. It isn’t the first time and likely won’t be the last. It is sad to say that DPEs (and evening ASIs) have been less than truthful about Their actions in the past. These positions require some faith of purpose and integrity and often the dollar overrides.

Cyio 07-25-2020 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 3099023)
I took some of it in jest, some of it as people are uneducated about what the document actually says. Those who wrote what they wrote know which category they fall in. Many may have had real checkrides. We don’t know. I feel sorry for those that may have. They got caught up in unscrupulous actions. It is one those people that screwed their fellow pilots over. It isn’t the first time and likely won’t be the last. It is sad to say that DPEs (and evening ASIs) have been less than truthful about Their actions in the past. These positions require some faith of purpose and integrity and often the dollar overrides.

It is almost as despicable as not tipping a van driver, sorry had to say it. In all seriousness though, its horrible for those that got caught up in this. I am honestly amazed it has happened as I have not once, in well over 20 years of taking check rides, ever had one that was anything less than above board.


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