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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3139299)

Tell me, how many HR cases arise each year at any airline over hairstyle?

I know of one recent mohawk debacle. At a legacy.

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3139303)

I know of one recent mohawk debacle. At a legacy.

was the problem tonsorial? Or cultural appropriation?

https://i.ibb.co/0ZgHJTz/E8716-AB2-B...CF4-A53322.jpg

RAF pilots had beards.

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Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3138989)

Yeah that was the old way of thinking but has since been disproved. Carriers all over the world allow modest beards.

I have always heard if it is fully inside the inside of the sealing surfaces, it is okay. If it interferes with the sealing surfaces in a substantial way (big bushy beard) then that should not be allowed.

Of all the things to fuss about right now...

Over pressure fed oxygen masks work fine with beards.

this will eventually be changed by a lawsuit of some sort one day

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Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3139467)

Of all the things to fuss about right now...

I dont think anyone is fussing about it, but it is a fun distraction right now and something that none of us are passionate about either way. Just a fun conversation, which honestly is exactly what we all need right now. If we can just keep Thekooj out of the conversation it will be a complete success.

If you want beards. Outline specifics n wait for the airline to need something. Stick in the TA , just like the politician.

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Originally Posted by flippedr6 (Post 3139044)

ExpressJet was about to make the change at the beginning of this year right when all this bs happened. They were going to use it as a recruiting tool. But we know the end to that story.

They were clearly in trouble then if they needed to use that as a recruiting tool.

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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB (Post 3139485)

Over pressure fed oxygen masks work fine with beards.

Actually the mil analyzed that because of all the SOF guys who need facial hair to blend in at various foriegn locations.

They found that oxygen saturated beads are EXTREMELY flammable (explosive actually), and will pretty much burn your face right off. But that's OK for SOF, because they use O2 during insertion/extraction transport, not when they're actually in combat. If there's a fire on an aircraft the crew, not the pax, will fight it.

You can accept the risk that an O2-saturated beard could be a problem during fire-fighting (we don't do that very often) but you can't pretend it's not a risk.

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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB (Post 3139485)

this will eventually be changed by a lawsuit of some sort one day

Not a chance. It's already very well-established law that employers can set grooming standards... future lawsuits would only trigger the existing precedent (and waste money). The only thing you *might* see is legislation (which WOULD over-turn established legal precedent) preventing employers from banning some traditionally ethnic or religious grooming fashions (ex, dreads, cornrows). That's already happening in some places.

But unless some legislation just straight up bans ALL employer-defined grooming standards, or specifically authorizes beards for white guys, it won't help most pilots.