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Originally Posted by EglCL65 (Post 172490)

Your good to go Fly that thunder SAAB

nice............... anybody want pancakes at Blairstown let me know, food on me, Ill take ya after I do my 3 touch & go's of course ;)

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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 172466)

I am going to go tool around in a 172 later this week, but I am not sure if Im legal............. According to the FAR's "within the preceding 24 months a flight review is not required if one has passed a Pilot Proficiency check conducted by the FAA, an approved check airmen, for a pilot certificate,rating or operating privilage. Well in the past two years I have renewed my CFI on-line and have had two 121 PC's, one of which was for a SIC type rating, does all of this count as my "BFR", or no because it wasn't for a certificate............im clueless please help me out?

Airline FO's are in a funny position. I don't have the book handy, but because you only fly as SIC your PC's don't technically count as a BFR (or an IPC). 121 training events generally don't count for anything 91 unless they are specifically signed off as such by a CFI (not all airline sim instructors/check airmen are CFI's). Be advised that most airline instructors don't want the liaibility associated with signing you off for GA. There is a specific exception...a 121 PC for a PIC (not an SIC) does count as a 91 IPC.

Your CFI renewal doesn't count either, except for the 1 hour of ground.

I think you might have got lucky because the SIC rating should count for a BFR (I'm pretty sure). However routine training events, PT's, and PC's normally don't count.

Hey Saab, I will pencil whip a BFR for you. Just FedEx your logbook to me and I will send it right back. :eek: Our competitive banter here on this board can count as the hour of ground.

http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/sa03.pdf

AOPA's take on the BFR. Haven't read it all yet, but the reg does say "FAR Part 121 Pilot Proficiency Check" as something that can take the place of the BFR. Doesn't specify it has to be a PIC check. The BFR applies to exercising your privledges as pilot-in-command under any part. Its not just a 91 operations issues. There are more stringent requirements for 121 and 135 while supersede the BFR.

Edit: Ok, I read too fast. I just says "passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman". Still doesn't distinguish between SIC and PIC checks.

just remember a 172 flies just fine under 100kts

Why not check with the local FSDO?

Be careful I went in a small plane after two years and was shocked how much I sucked. 70kts on approach seemed way wrong.

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Originally Posted by George Dubya (Post 172600)

Be careful I went in a small plane after two years and was shocked how much I sucked. 70kts on approach seemed way wrong.

yeah I am going by myslef..........little worried but I figure its like riding a bike......I'm going early early am no traffic calm winds.............

I was in a duchess after a month in the atr and i nearly killed myself thank god i had a good CFI with me. I was in a 172 a month ago and the same thing. you might be legal to go by yourself but trust me you want to take a cfi along for at least one or two trips in the pattern just to make sure your not totally lost.

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Originally Posted by cbire880 (Post 172551)

[url]...It just says "passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman". Still doesn't distinguish between SIC and PIC checks.

A 14 CFR 121.441 Proficiency check does meet the requirements of part 61.56(d). All 61.56(d) requires a pilot to do is pass "...a pilot proficiency check conducted by...an approved pilot check airman..." within the preceding 24 calendar months. The tasks required for a 121.441 PC are in Appendix F of part 121 and more than meet the requirements of 61.56(a).