Help out the SAABster please
 

I am going to go tool around in a 172 later this week, but I am not sure if Im legal............. According to the FAR's "within the preceding 24 months a flight review is not required if one has passed a Pilot Proficiency check conducted by the FAA, an approved check airmen, for a pilot certificate,rating or operating privilage. Well in the past two years I have renewed my CFI on-line and have had two 121 PC's, one of which was for a SIC type rating, does all of this count as my "BFR", or no because it wasn't for a certificate............im clueless please help me out?

You passed a pilot proficiency check by an approved check airman, right? Two, even?
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I think you answered your own question.

thats what i was hoping............thanks brotha

A better question would be "Are you single-engine current?"

ahhhhhhhhhh what does that mean:o you mean the three takeoff & landings for carrying pax.................?

are you flying out of CDW?

haha nah I used to Instruct there though (Century), I will be local, BLM 5 minutes from my house

I use to fly out of CDW about 6 years ago.. Just playing around in the summer and stuff. I use to fly with that old guys at CFA..

nice yeah I love that airport some of the Controllers are terrible but good airport close to the fun west jersey grass strips and stuff

Your good to go Fly that thunder SAAB

nice............... anybody want pancakes at Blairstown let me know, food on me, Ill take ya after I do my 3 touch & go's of course ;)

Airline FO's are in a funny position. I don't have the book handy, but because you only fly as SIC your PC's don't technically count as a BFR (or an IPC). 121 training events generally don't count for anything 91 unless they are specifically signed off as such by a CFI (not all airline sim instructors/check airmen are CFI's). Be advised that most airline instructors don't want the liaibility associated with signing you off for GA. There is a specific exception...a 121 PC for a PIC (not an SIC) does count as a 91 IPC.

Your CFI renewal doesn't count either, except for the 1 hour of ground.

I think you might have got lucky because the SIC rating should count for a BFR (I'm pretty sure). However routine training events, PT's, and PC's normally don't count.

Hey Saab, I will pencil whip a BFR for you. Just FedEx your logbook to me and I will send it right back. :eek: Our competitive banter here on this board can count as the hour of ground.

http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/sa03.pdf

AOPA's take on the BFR. Haven't read it all yet, but the reg does say "FAR Part 121 Pilot Proficiency Check" as something that can take the place of the BFR. Doesn't specify it has to be a PIC check. The BFR applies to exercising your privledges as pilot-in-command under any part. Its not just a 91 operations issues. There are more stringent requirements for 121 and 135 while supersede the BFR.

Edit: Ok, I read too fast. I just says "passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman". Still doesn't distinguish between SIC and PIC checks.

just remember a 172 flies just fine under 100kts

Why not check with the local FSDO?

Be careful I went in a small plane after two years and was shocked how much I sucked. 70kts on approach seemed way wrong.

yeah I am going by myslef..........little worried but I figure its like riding a bike......I'm going early early am no traffic calm winds.............

I was in a duchess after a month in the atr and i nearly killed myself thank god i had a good CFI with me. I was in a 172 a month ago and the same thing. you might be legal to go by yourself but trust me you want to take a cfi along for at least one or two trips in the pattern just to make sure your not totally lost.

A 14 CFR 121.441 Proficiency check does meet the requirements of part 61.56(d). All 61.56(d) requires a pilot to do is pass "...a pilot proficiency check conducted by...an approved pilot check airman..." within the preceding 24 calendar months. The tasks required for a 121.441 PC are in Appendix F of part 121 and more than meet the requirements of 61.56(a).

I agree that an airline PC should logically count as a BFR and IPC, but I don't think it does automatically...

-A simulator is not an airplane. Can you do a 91 BFR in a sim?

-An airline sim instructor may be, but does not have to be, a check airman or a CFI. He might just be an ATP. Can ATP's do 91 BFRs? Actually they can't; their authorization to instruct is strictly limited to 121 stuff and does not extend to most 91 CFI duties.


I'll take a look at the regs when I finish this trip, but I have always been under the impression that you still needed a BFR in your logbook.

Yes...if it is Level D.

Yes. Because 61.56(d) allows a proficiency check and 121.441(c) allows that proficiency check to be in an approved flight simulator.

Only an approved pilot check airman(121.441(b)(2)), not a sim instructor or just an ATP, can give a 121.441 PC. You must be designated by the FAA on your check airman approval letter as either a "Proficiency Check Airman - Simulator" or "Check Airman - All Checks" to conduct a 121.441 PC in an approved flight simulator.

Thanks.

I know renewing your CFI will get you out of the required 1 hour of ground FAR 61.56(f), and I know a simulator can be used 61.56(i) if the training is under part 142. It can't be used for the takeoffs and landings unless its approved for that, which level D sims are. Also 61.56(d), I would say your good because you have passed a pilot proficiency check and your instructor is a pilot check airman and it was for a operating privlage. So I would say your good acording to the feds, now as for not flying a small aircraft in who knows how long just be prepared when your find yourself flying the approach at 100kts while still feeling thats to slow.

Oh and read 61.55(e) and SIC ride is a proficency check!

I cant wait, I am pretty sure Ill forget right rudder, but Ill slowly apply power, I figure BLM has a 7,000ft runway its 75 feet wide if i cant land safely after having 1,000 hrs in the godamn thing than well, maybe I deserve to be humbled................ Im going at 7am so I will have the aiprot to myself, I cant wait, no Pushback clearances, no airways, no FMS if anybodys around on the 18th and you live near an airpiot in Jersey Id be happy to pick you up :)...pending I make it there alive

I have not flown a 172 in two years is it rediculous that I am going up by myself ? I mean I have 1,000 hrs in the thing..........

I'm three years out from last GA evolution. I'm going up soon, but I'll get a checkout before turning myself loose...the club requires one anyway. Just try not to flare at 50'...you will feel like your butt is scraping the asphalt in the flare the first time. Tell us how it goes!

More surprised that a FBO would allow you to take up their aircraft without a another checkout, the way insurance companies are now sometimes if you go a certain amount of time without flying their aircraft you have to get rechecked out. Then again you may not be using a FBO. Don't forget its like riding a bike, except if you fall it will really hurt. :)

LOL! I know what you mean. All approaches should be made with "Zero" flaps to make it seem real! And was the flare too high too?

Even if you are good to go I would at least go out with a CFI for at least an hour. Do some airwork and then a few bounces in the pattern.

I remember back in my CFI days a J-31 driver wanted to be checked out.......he couldn't land the airplane so I wouldn't sign him off. He had to come back for another round before the flight school would sign him off.

Have fun!!!!!!

I flew with several airline guys in my CFI days as well. Definiately go fly with a CFI, even if its just for the 3 bounces. It would suck to find out you can't land the damn thing after the preventible accident. If you aren't 100% sure you can hack it, go with a CFI.

Hmmm low timers in an RJ?

This makes me now think if we should alllow high timers to be buzzing around in a 172!
Making our airspaces unsafe up there....theres soo much to handle in that 172... :D





alright, I'm guilty of boredom!:o

Is that what prompted your name on the board? :D

... just curious!! :)

Watch out for the gliders and the tow planes. They are creative with their patterns. I've been there on days when it was as bad as places like MGJ on the weekends. No TCAS in most 172's.

P.S. Don't forget to put the gear down

hey saab. i got my private from E.V. and flew around blm quite a bit are you getting the 172 from E.V.? I am more single engine current then i think you are and would be willing to split the cost to make a fool of myself. Plus a cfi so we could bfr it too. pm me... oh yeah i am from xjt too... i live in old bridge didnt realize you lived down here

Single engine current? I don't believe there is a thing. He can go solo anytime he wants.

Two XJT pilots in a 172... evacuate the airspace!!! :D

No, lets put up a TFR with a 30 nm raidus.

i wasn't referring to the legal "single engine current" but more importantly to the real life application: single engine current = i might be rusty but i wont kill you

I think it's more like "I might be legal, but I could still kill all of us."

Two biggest issue are airspeed and flare hight. They always come in screaming fast then want to stall at 20ft. Also watch how you handle the nose. I use to get T38 guys in there that always wanted to kill me.