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ToiletDuck 05-31-2007 12:05 PM

[QUOTE=cl601pilot;173458I did a search on them, however it didn't turn up much info?[/QUOTE]
You must not know how to search for something AT ALL.

JetJock16 05-31-2007 12:17 PM

Try This!
 
cl601pilot, why not send your resume to CAL, DAL, VA, SkyBus, etc. One, if not a few will come calling with your times. I'm not saying that VA or SkyBus are great places but they do have new seniority list so if they take off then so will your career. Sounds like you have nothing to lose.

freezingflyboy 05-31-2007 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 173581)
cl601pilot, why not send your resume to CAL, DAL, VA, SkyBus, etc. One, if not a few will come calling with your times. I'm not saying that VA or SkyBus are great places but they do have new seniority list so if they take off then so will your career. Sounds like you have nothing to lose.

Hope you didn't get used to eating when you were at your corporate gig.

Skybus: $65,000 salaried for A319 CAPTAIN! $30,000 for FOs.
VA: $95/hr for A319/320 CAPTAIN! $44/hr for FOs. Merit-based upgrade (whatever that means. I bet their workrules are industry-leading too:rolleyes: )

YGTBSM! You'll make more than that at most good regionals such as XJT and SkyWest and upgrade at both places is 2 years or less. For what its worth, I am on pace to break $30,000 second year at XJT flying a lowly "R"J.

JetJock16 05-31-2007 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 173629)
Hope you didn't get used to eating when you were at your corporate gig.

Skybus: $65,000 salaried for A319 CAPTAIN! $30,000 for FOs.
VA: $95/hr for A319/320 CAPTAIN! $44/hr for FOs. Merit-based upgrade (whatever that means. I bet their workrules are industry-leading too:rolleyes: )

YGTBSM! You'll make more than that at most good regionals such as XJT and SkyWest and upgrade at both places is 2 years or less. For what its worth, I am on pace to break $30,000 second year at XJT flying a lowly "R"J.

Sure, but those are starting wages for CA and FO. Look at most all the Majors and Legacies, you'll see about the same pay scale. $25 (US Airways)-$54 (SWA) an hour for first yr FO's and once you upgrade you'll make between $90-#130 an hour based upon yrs with Co. The pay is not what it used to be, I agree, but if you start at $95/hr at VA you'll probably top out around $145-$160/hr (around JB pay range). You can't make that at ANY regional unless you're one of the few employed as sim instructor. If he goes to SKW or XJT then he's stuck with 2 yrs (est.) FO pay ($19-$23 first yr and $34-$35 second) and a starting CA pay around $60-$65/hr (2-3 yr). DAL FO pay beats RJ CA pay when you compare 3 yr RJ CA (60-65) to 2 yr Maddog FO pay ($68). Top out as an RJ CA around $95-$105 (18yrs) and top out DAL FO at $129 (12yrs) while on your way to CA in the mid to upper 100's.

Just numbers, but I'd take the chance if I had his numbers.

JetJock16 05-31-2007 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 173629)
YGTBSM! You'll make more than that at most good regionals such as XJT and SkyWest and upgrade at both places is 2 years or less. For what its worth, I am on pace to break $30,000 second year at XJT flying a lowly "R"J.

I'm currently making over $4000 a month on second year FO pay. I fly mainly CR7/9's and make an average of $36.75/hr with the 5% block override. I block around 85 hours and credit about 97-100 hours of pay with about 300 TAFB/mth.

97 hrs x $36.75 = $3565
300 hrs x $1.6 = $480

$460 + $3565 = $4045/mth x 12 mths = $48,540.

Sure I'll take some vacation, call in sick, holidays, B-Days, etc; but I should end up well into the mid 40's. Not bad for 2nd year pay at the regionals, and yes I know we deserve more but we are just codeshares flying with thin margins.

This is not a pi$$ing contest about who "Root" is larger, just adding my numbers

duvie 05-31-2007 02:08 PM

All the companies are slitting each others throats at the expense of their workers. GoJets just took it to a level we haven't seen in a couple years.

freezingflyboy 05-31-2007 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 173643)
Sure, but those are starting wages for CA and FO. Look at most all the Majors and Legacies, you'll see about the same pay scale. $25 (US Airways)-$54 (SWA) an hour for first yr FO's and once you upgrade you'll make between $90-#130 an hour based upon yrs with Co. The pay is not what it used to be, I agree, but if you start at $95/hr at VA you'll probably top out around $145-$160/hr (around JB pay range). You can't make that at ANY regional unless you're one of the few employed as sim instructor. If he goes to SKW or XJT then he's stuck with 2 yrs (est.) FO pay ($19-$23 first yr and $34-$35 second) and a starting CA pay around $60-$65/hr (2-3 yr). DAL FO pay beats RJ CA pay when you compare 3 yr RJ CA (60-65) to 2 yr Maddog FO pay ($68). Top out as an RJ CA around $95-$105 (18yrs) and top out DAL FO at $129 (12yrs) while on your way to CA in the mid to upper 100's.

Just numbers, but I'd take the chance if I had his numbers.

Well I'm not sold on those numbers. I haven't seen official pay scales and who knows what the work rules will be. According to APC VA pilots get a $5/hr raise each year. That would put their 12 year pay for CAs at $155/hr. Using pax 737/A32X fleets and 12yr CA for comparison, heres where VA would fall among other operators just looking at hourly rates:

SWA $198/hr
AA $161/hr
VA $155/hr
AS $154/hr
AT $153/hr
FNT $152/hr
DAL $151/hr
JB $147/hr
CAL $144/hr
AWA $138/hr
NWA $137/hr
UAL $133/hr
SPT $130/hr
USA $125/hr

With a pay scale like that and a supposedly LCC business model either they are printing their own money, have found a cheap alternative to jet A and are not telling anyone or their work rules are not user friendly. Again, just some numbers I tossed around for comparison. Something doesn't seem quite right to me.

JetJock16 05-31-2007 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 173660)
Well I'm not sold on those numbers. I haven't seen official pay scales and who knows what the work rules will be. According to APC VA pilots get a $5/hr raise each year. That would put their 12 year pay for CAs at $155/hr. Using pax 737/A32X fleets and 12yr CA for comparison, heres where VA would fall among other operators just looking at hourly rates:

SWA $198/hr
AA $161/hr
VA $155/hr
AS $154/hr
AT $153/hr
FNT $152/hr
DAL $151/hr
JB $147/hr
CAL $144/hr
AWA $138/hr
NWA $137/hr
UAL $133/hr
SPT $130/hr
USA $125/hr

With a pay scale like that and a supposedly LCC business model either they are printing their own money, have found a cheap alternative to jet A and are not telling anyone or their work rules are not user friendly. Again, just some numbers I tossed around for comparison. Something doesn't seem quite right to me.

I'm not talking about work rules, that's a whole other beast. How are you not sold, your numbers above are argue my point for me. With his hours why not give VA, DAL and CAL a shot. If he wants to just work as a line pilot flying just over guarantee then he'll make more money at the Majors/Legacies than he will at the regionals. That is, unless he works his ass off as a 18yr RJ CA, maybe then he'll reach the $125,000+/yr pay range.

Don't forget that DAL, CAL, AA, NWA, SWA, UAL, UPS, FedEx, ABx, Astar and many others 2nd-18th yr FO pay scale tops our CA's rates at the regionals; and their just FO's.

goarmy 05-31-2007 02:41 PM

its true.....your career will end at up Fed Ex, UPS, Continental, Delta, Jet Blue....those are just a few of the places those scumbags are ending up....sucks to be them....those lists are ruining their lives! hahahaha

p.s..... a Jetblue pilot ( former TSA ) was just FIRED for having his little list and harrasing a few pilots at an open house....do some homework here....its true....have fun with your little lists.....looks like the door will be hitting YOU and your list in the ass on the way out! Looks like his little plan fell apart all around him....so sad.... sssssseeya!

flynavyj 05-31-2007 03:35 PM

yep, he did a not so smart thing of totally ripping a couple go jet guys apart in public, and end result was his termination at jet blue. Sux, but that's what happens when you get all worked up. Like i said (and others have too) Go Jet guys ARE getting major airline jobs just like everyone else is, they have guys at FedEX and UPS like everyone else also, i just wouldn't want GOJET sitting around on my resume' for the rest of my life, along with having people ask me time and time again to justify why i went to them in the first place. The real damage i think, is that EVERYONE is getting major airline jobs, EVERYONE from EVERY regional will be there, and theres NO REGIONAL that actually condones GOJET, and as a result, you'll be finding a lot of future bitter people, more than the ones who are already there.


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