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Old 01-27-2021, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BrazilBusDriver View Post
You do realize that energy prices are tied to market outlooks, right? And if the economy were collapsing energy prices would necessarily decrease as demand cratered, correct?
Like most things, that is true to a degree. If the costs of production rise, for example, final consumer cost can rise while demand falls. This is especially true in commodities that are hard or impossible to store, for example, like airline ASMs.

Option B is the producer selling at some loss as its better to price a loss than go completely without. However, the risk of this pretty apparent.
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Old 01-27-2021, 10:51 AM
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Might have something to do with the new requirement to have a negative COVID test to enter the country... FWIW per another thread in the major section, the current administration is considering requiring a negative COVID test for domestic travel as well. If that happens I think we will see April 2020 all over again
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Might have something to do with the new requirement to have a negative COVID test to enter the country... FWIW per another thread in the major section, the current administration is considering requiring a negative COVID test for domestic travel as well. If that happens I think we will see April 2020 all over again
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...-official-says

Spot on. We are going to see several airline bankruptcies and closures in the near term. Your average American won't tolerate this as the "new normal". But then again, this isn't about covid, it's about a Great Reset, "We have a chance to reset the global environment like no other time in history". John Kerry - Climate Czar Biden Administration.

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Old 01-27-2021, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by captive apple View Post
Do you have a link to an article? Or chart? I remember prices popping with the rest of the bubbles in late 2008.
Prices were high at the pump in 2010 and 2011, but that was after the recession was officially over.
In the current situation we have an over supply in fuel which threatens to shut down already dug wells. The industry needs more consumption, not exploration.
I get a kick out of Americans talking about American energy independence via oil from Al Berta.
https://www.google.com/search?q=2008...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Year Retail Gasoline / Price (Current dollars/gallon) / Retail Gasoline Price (Constant 2015 dollars/gallon)
2007 2.80 3.16
2008 3.27 3.61
2009 2.35 2.58
2010 2.79 3.02
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Old 01-27-2021, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskyWhisky View Post
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...-official-says

Spot on. We are going to see several airline bankruptcies and closures in the near term. Your average American won't tolerate this as the "new normal". But then again, this isn't about covid, it's about a Great Reset, "We have a chance to reset the global environment like no other time in history". John Kerry - Climate Czar Biden Administration.

Prepare for our industry to be decimated.
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Originally Posted by jacburn View Post
https://www.google.com/search?q=2008...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Year Retail Gasoline / Price (Current dollars/gallon) / Retail Gasoline Price (Constant 2015 dollars/gallon)
2007 2.80 3.16
2008 3.27 3.61
2009 2.35 2.58
2010 2.79 3.02
Dude, give it up, oil crashed with the rest of the economy. 2008 was also the highest of the highs (bubble) so yes the YEARLY average is high but it did crash with a glut of supply and lowered demand.
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Old 01-28-2021, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by captive apple View Post
Dude, give it up, oil crashed with the rest of the economy. 2008 was also the highest of the highs (bubble) so yes the YEARLY average is high but it did crash with a glut of supply and lowered demand.
the recession started in 2007.
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Yeah, I'm not following. Oil to go up but airlines to crater. I think one of these will eventuate, but not both.
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Old 01-28-2021, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneStar32 View Post
the recession started in 2007.
Indeed oil did not crash the first month of the world wide recession and I didn’t say it did. So what was your point?
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Originally Posted by captive apple View Post
Indeed oil did not crash the first month of the world wide recession and I didn’t say it did. So what was your point?
Recession started in 2007, not 2008.
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