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Old 07-03-2021, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by OnFingers12345 View Post
As a previous 91 & 135 pilot, take my opinion and stay corporate or charter. 121 flying sucks. You turn into a robot, and you can kiss all your fun flying goodbye. Hang a left and take your seat in the cockpit. B O R I N G.
As folks get older, some find they prefer a little well-compensated boredom over the "excitement" that you get from operational, job, and career uncertainty.

I do quiet time on trips, and still have 17-18 days off per month to do whatever excites me. Or not, whichever.
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Old 07-03-2021, 01:14 PM
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Hit every job fair, meet and greet and networking event that you can find.
This.

Also if you have the opportunity at your current place to be involved in training/standards/safety/hiring etc. do it. With no 121 time anything you can do to make yourself stand out, the better.
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Old 07-03-2021, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OnFingers12345 View Post
As a previous 91 & 135 pilot, take my opinion and stay corporate or charter. 121 flying sucks. You turn into a robot, and you can kiss all your fun flying goodbye. Hang a left and take your seat in the cockpit. B O R I N G.
That sounds delightful! Boring is good.
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Old 07-03-2021, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
Nope, I ran into that same issue.
”Scheduled” 135 is what the reg says.
So you’re back at zero as far as the 121 world is concerned with a minimum of 1000hrs for upgrade so bite the bullet and get 121 time with Republic.
With all due respect, don’t thing they’re waiting for you as they’re most definitely not.
Your problem with Part 91 is also their problem with Part 91.
Your chances would have been better if you’d stayed 135 and didn’t switch over to 91.
Out of curiosity which reg says scheduled? Haven’t read that, but could have missed it. FWIW I’ve recently had a regional tell me my time would count according to 135.243 because I was a captain of a turbojet in an operation requiring an ATP.
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Old 07-03-2021, 07:50 PM
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FWIW I’ve recently had a regional tell me my time would count according to 135.243 because I was a captain of a turbojet in an operation requiring an ATP.
FWIW I'm 99% sure that's correct. It's the ATP requirement that does the trick.
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Old 07-03-2021, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LimaF View Post
Out of curiosity which reg says scheduled? Haven’t read that, but could have missed it. FWIW I’ve recently had a regional tell me my time would count according to 135.243 because I was a captain of a turbojet in an operation requiring an ATP.
121.436 says: “If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of
this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combi*nation thereof.”


135.243(a)(1) states: “a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger* seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter”

To me, it reads like it’s 10+ seats OR scheduled 135 to count toward 121 PIC requirements.
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121.436 says: “If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of
this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combi*nation thereof.”


135.243(a)(1) states: “a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger* seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter”

To me, it reads like it’s 10+ seats OR scheduled 135 to count toward 121 PIC requirements.
Any one of the three requirements separated by the comas applies to the requirement because it says “or.” This is also confirmed by the Kelly interpretation (the original interpretation had an error in defining the requirements and was corrected in an addendum that came afterwards).

That being said, any company can be more restrictive in their requirements than regulation. It is possible even if you have the legal requirements they may want you to have X amount of time at the airline, 121, etc.
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Old 07-04-2021, 03:49 AM
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You can skip the regionals. Unless your jobs is truly awful/unsafe and you just can't bring yourself to go to work for one more day, stick with it and keep applying to Jetblue and the others. Plenty of guys here at B6 who came directly from the corporate world, and I have quite a few buddies who went straight 91 large cabin to Southwest, United and Delta. It's not uncommon at all.

Hiring is just starting up again so don't feel bad if you don't get a call ASAP, but there is zero reason with your credentials to go sit right seat in an RJ and take a huge pay and QOL hit in the HOPES that a major airline calls you. You're competitive already with what you posted for all the major airlines. Hit every job fair, meet and greet and networking event that you can find.

My .02 would be, if your job truly sucks, start looking at other part 91 gigs while also working on Jetblue and the others. If you're flying large cabin biz then you have marketable type ratings and skills that could get you another corporate job with similar or even better pay and QOL than you already are enjoying. Worst case, JB and others never call but you found yourself a better biz jet job. Best case you get a call from the majors while also getting offered a new/better 91 job.
It's not that horrible, and chances are whatever 91 I move to laterally will have the same issues, or different issues. The problem with a 91 job is you never really know the culture until you've worked there for a bit. It could see all roses and BJ's front the outside, but then once you work there, you see the reality. It could also change on a dime, which is what happened with my job. At least with an airline you know what to expect from day to day.

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This.

Also if you have the opportunity at your current place to be involved in training/standards/safety/hiring etc. do it. With no 121 time anything you can do to make yourself stand out, the better.
There are only two of us in the department, so I am involved with all of that. Sad part is I can't check the "management" box on a lot of applications even though I am technically.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
As folks get older, some find they prefer a little well-compensated boredom over the "excitement" that you get from operational, job, and career uncertainty.

I do quiet time on trips, and still have 17-18 days off per month to do whatever excites me. Or not, whichever.
Good for you and your quiet time... Regardless of age, like I said in my comment, it’s MY opinion that 121 (especially regional) is boring. Enjoy your autopilot flying.
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Old 07-04-2021, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OnFingers12345 View Post
Good for you and your quiet time... Regardless of age, like I said in my comment, it’s MY opinion that 121 (especially regional) is boring. Enjoy your autopilot flying.
I don't spend any more time using the autopilot at my airline than I did flying 91/135. If anything the corporate equipment was far more modern. If I want excitement in an airplane I'll buy an Extra.
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