Regional pilot life in under 60 seconds:
 

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Hope the company doesn't see that video...

Pssh. Only bourbon i could afford as a regional FO was beam. White label.

How to get called for a CPO carpet dance in 60 seconds.

Anyone remember which FAR it is that prohibits us from using digital cameras in flight?
Does that also apply to digital videos?

Just once can it not be an American WO regional pilot, just once… and it’s always the guys flying the 145’s too lol.

There isn’t one. Only if it emits or receives a signal. There is a real handy flowchart for you to use on this page.

https://qz.com/313089/these-are-the-...n-the-cockpit/

You can definitely use a film camera (above sterile).

You can probably use an digital camera or vid recorder *if* it has no wireless capability.

But pretty much all such devices do have built-in wireless these days, and the reg is written such that it applies to devices which have the *capability*... whether it's actually transmitting is irrelevant, if somebody wants to make a case.

You could try to argue that the reg was intended to apply to cell network signals, not wifi/BT but the language is vague on that.

But the tone of the video wasn't really enhancing to the AA brand... I'd be more worried about that. I have a buddy who got canned for less, a lot less.

looks like it’s been up for over a year now. ::shrug::

As usual the FAA is decades behind on technology.


That being said, at one 135 I worked at, the op specs / GOM clearly said "no video photography in the cockpit"

Don't worry, he'll be an outside of flow hire at AA within a year cause that is just what AA does with these types of people.

So let me get this straight, if you are an airline pilot, you can take cockpit photos as long as it is a digital camera with no wifi, or a hipster Polaroid film camera?

Yes. Same rules as using your cell phone.

The rule wasn't written with cameras in mind, that was collateral damage, they were trying to account for texting, online activity, etc. Politicians got involved after a NW crew overflew their destination at FL350 while sleeping, and blamed it on being distracted by a laptop.

Or kindles for that matter... technically it's OK to read a paperback but not a kindle.

I see, good to know thanks for the response

In the real world flying the line, easily 75-80% of guys (including some checkairman by the way) do not technically abide by this reg since they use their phones to take pics and sometimes play other games. At cruise though, not below 10,000.

Heck, I'm not even sure most know it exists thinking they only are prohibited from doing such below 10.

Won't argue any of that.

Be aware that if there's an incident and you're using the pax wifi, they WILL find that out. If you don't use wifi, they probably have no way of knowing.

Also at least one major I'm aware of has software which will flag you if login into any company systems which are not approved for inflight use (example bidding system). So don't do that.

As long as the paperback is “company material”. A lot of FOMs have that stipulation. All unenforceable unless some idiot takes pictures with their “legal” camera….

Cameras are not always legal. Qx prohibits use of any personal devices from 20 min before departure

a few years ago, there was some male Karen who was going through pilots Instagram feeds, looking for pictures that were taken in flight and reporting them to the FAA. And of course, these pilots were investigated.

Point is, do not be stupid up there. It's one thing to read "company material" or even use your disconnected phone to catch up on company material. But if anything gets dorked up, you can bet the FAA and your company will ask for your phone immediately to make sure you weren't on the WiFi.

(edit) found the article.
https://qz.com/233165/the-pilots-of-...es-of-the-air/

Yes, FOM's are often more restrictive than the FAR's in that regard.

That's how my buddy got fired. Although the probable narc was junior to my buddy so his motive may have been seniority.

Found this the other day, thought it was as interesting as it was convoluted.

Obviously, company policy can trump all of this.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5e10eb3201.jpg


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Anyone can “ask” for anything but the ONLY situation in which I’ll hand anything over is if it’s done by a court order. And then only after consulting with an attorney!!

In the meantime….shut the front door…and don’t ever ever answer any Qs the FAA, NTSB, or company ask without counsel.

Y’all have indeed watched that video “Don’t talk to the police”, righttt?? Same
principle applies here.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE


Notwithstanding my advice above, the NWA crew would have been better off saying they fell asleep. This was only 6 months after the Colgan accident when fatigue was a red hot topic. Of course we are stuck with a more restrictive rule than simply sterile below 10 because they opened their mouth instead of shutting up and lawyering up.

Yes... shut up first, lawyer up second.



WE might have been better off. They thought getting distracted was a more "honest" mistake than sleeping.

Kinda tough to not give them something they asked for that they already downloaded off your company issued iPad when they pushed an update overnight, or off your social media feed that you put on there in order to get clicks. I don't think the deferral sticker over the screen side camera is going to do you any good when picture or video you took is already in your photo album.
Can't ASAP away as non-sole source when it's already voluntarily posted on social media, and shows a willful breaking of an advisory circular https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...C_91.21-1D.pdf pay particular attention to paragraph 8.3.3 as well as https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia.../InFO14006.pdf
the PPM may say they won't use against you what you have on your company issued EFB, but you can bet they will use it as leverage.

You cannot ASAP willful violations, so there is pretty much nothing you can do with devices, media, networks, internet that would hold up as an ASAP.

He also looks a little too you young to know how to drive a stick.

It's amazing that some people are willing to throw away a multi-million dollar career just to post some pictures on Instagram and Facebook. But hey, I just don't understand the younger generations. Didn't we lose someone at DL for answering their phone one too many times?

Also… meta data imbedded in your photos will inform those who care what kind of device was used and usually date/time.

Yeah, if you get asked about it, don't lie... they might be fishing or they might actually have proof, in which case they are trying to trap you in a lie because it's *much* easier to fire you on the first offense for lying than most run-of-the-mil offenses.

Or better yet, just shut up altogether (only talking through your union rep or attorney) as I stated in my above post! NOTHING good comes from opening one’s mouth in such a situation just like if one is questioned by the police!!!!