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FliesInSoup 10-20-2021 08:49 AM

No APU, No Ground Air, No Problem?
 
Anyone here refuse to allow passengers to board until ventilation is established? Packing customers into a aluminum tube without fresh air for 30 minutes seems a little unwise these days.

rickair7777 10-20-2021 10:13 AM

I wouldn't do it. Somebody was just in the news for that... not only did they load up, they flew a leg with no packs or ventilation.

Joachim 10-20-2021 10:15 AM

What kind of airplane is able to do that legally?

GogglesPisano 10-20-2021 10:19 AM

Fee for departure. No departure, no fee.

To offset this you need captains who understand what it means to be a captain.

OpieTaylor 10-20-2021 12:09 PM

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flynd94 10-20-2021 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by FliesInSoup (Post 3311887)
Anyone here refuse to allow passengers to board until ventilation is established? Packing customers into a aluminum tube without fresh air for 30 minutes seems a little unwise these days.


I had this exact situation happen years ago in ORD in the summer. APU INOP and no PC Air available. I refused to board the aircraft. I actually had to pull out our FOM to back up my position.

My solution was add an 1000lbs of extra gas. Start number 2 at the gate, cool the plane off and then board. Cooler heads prevailed and that’s what did, don’t be pressured. Be a CAPTAIN

GuppyDreamer 10-20-2021 02:13 PM

I had to deplane in DFW once for this couldn’t get the engine started and decided to deplane for the heat. Started number 2 at the gate and didn’t board until it cooled down.

I think there was a story from a couple years ago some ladies kid went unresponsive in the back of a hot RJ.

rickair7777 10-20-2021 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 3311923)
What kind of airplane is able to do that legally?

Any airplane that stays below 10K, easy on certain regional routes. IIRC it was ORD to MKE.

There's probably a supplemental procedure to use ram air for ventilation.

terks43 10-21-2021 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3312165)
Any airplane that stays below 10K, easy on certain regional routes. IIRC it was ORD to MKE.

There's probably a supplemental procedure to use ram air for ventilation.

there is. Don’t recommend it honestly, had to do it once when we lost the other pack on a plane that already had one pack inop. The plane gets absurdly hot, even in flight. Luckily no pax onboard as it was a ferry flight due to WX.


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