No APU, No Ground Air, No Problem?

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10-20-2021, 08:49 AM

FliesInSoup

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No APU, No Ground Air, No Problem?

Anyone here refuse to allow passengers to board until ventilation is established? Packing customers into a aluminum tube without fresh air for 30 minutes seems a little unwise these days.

10-20-2021, 10:13 AM

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I wouldn't do it. Somebody was just in the news for that... not only did they load up, they flew a leg with no packs or ventilation.

10-20-2021, 10:15 AM

Joachim

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What kind of airplane is able to do that legally?

10-20-2021, 10:19 AM

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Fee for departure. No departure, no fee.

To offset this you need captains who understand what it means to be a captain.

10-20-2021, 12:09 PM

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10-20-2021, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FliesInSoup

Anyone here refuse to allow passengers to board until ventilation is established? Packing customers into a aluminum tube without fresh air for 30 minutes seems a little unwise these days.

I had this exact situation happen years ago in ORD in the summer. APU INOP and no PC Air available. I refused to board the aircraft. I actually had to pull out our FOM to back up my position.

My solution was add an 1000lbs of extra gas. Start number 2 at the gate, cool the plane off and then board. Cooler heads prevailed and that’s what did, don’t be pressured. Be a CAPTAIN

10-20-2021, 02:13 PM

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I had to deplane in DFW once for this couldn’t get the engine started and decided to deplane for the heat. Started number 2 at the gate and didn’t board until it cooled down.

I think there was a story from a couple years ago some ladies kid went unresponsive in the back of a hot RJ.

10-20-2021, 07:59 PM

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What kind of airplane is able to do that legally?

Any airplane that stays below 10K, easy on certain regional routes. IIRC it was ORD to MKE.

There's probably a supplemental procedure to use ram air for ventilation.

10-21-2021, 06:53 AM

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Any airplane that stays below 10K, easy on certain regional routes. IIRC it was ORD to MKE.

There's probably a supplemental procedure to use ram air for ventilation.

there is. Don’t recommend it honestly, had to do it once when we lost the other pack on a plane that already had one pack inop. The plane gets absurdly hot, even in flight. Luckily no pax onboard as it was a ferry flight due to WX.