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JetJock16 06-15-2007 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 180954)
Jetjok I think you and I are much closer to being in complete agreement about the 50/70 situation than you and your coworker rjboy are.

True, there are a lot of delusional pilots here at SKW and everyday I try to educate. But I can only do so much.

I mean no offense; I would love to see a “National Pay Scale” or “National Min Rate” for seat configs. But our national problems go far beyond that.

ghilis101 06-15-2007 05:45 PM

delusional is an understatement

BoilerUP 06-15-2007 05:46 PM

No offense taken my friend, the first brews would be on me at the RON. What has happened in the last few years is in the past; all we as pilots can hope to do is educate ourselves on the circumstances and consequences of the past, and effect positive change on the future.

duvie 06-15-2007 06:19 PM

I definitely see the need for a bonified union at SKW, but not ALPA.
ALPA serves in this order:
1. Themselves
2. Large Carriers
3. Small Carriers

ALPA at regionals is a conflict of interest. Higher pay scales on our end translate to higher costs for the majors which is not benificial for the legacy pilots that are still waiting for financial health in their airlines. Nobody is perfect, certainly not ALPA, but in this case its easy to see why they don't do much for regionals. Prater seems like a legitimate guy albeit still a politician. He, like most elected representatives, serves the interests of the financial majority. Not only do the five ALPA legacy carriers make up almost 25,000 ALPA members (which is almost twice that all the ALPA carriers that fly 70 seat and under) but those guys on average make at least twice what we do. Its not hard to see why ALPA will serve their interests before ours.

ghilis101 06-15-2007 06:24 PM

ok then why wont skw give you a legal binding contract? thats all you need, you dont need a major overhaul, just a contract and maybe some better benefits and some other changes but thats what alpa will do for you to start. after that you as a pilot group can decide what you want

BoilerUP 06-15-2007 06:32 PM

Higher wages at the regionals mean it would no longer be financially viable for the mainline to outsource flying. The mainline would expand and create new, better jobs with narrowbody aircraft while the regionals would shrink...but that shouldn't cause any loss of jobs due to attrition at the shrinking regionals from their pilots taking jobs at the growing mainline.

Isn't that what we all want - more mainline jobs? Growing regionals don't make mainline jobs...

Go Ugly Early 06-16-2007 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by EngineOut (Post 180440)
I think that a union at SkyWest is a dumb thought 1300 pilots ago. Now that we are darn near 2700 strong, Bessie in Crew Support does not know my name. Dan in dispatch has no clue who I am. Therefore, when I do them a favor, they have no obligation to me, in reality, I have no clue who they are either.

SkyWest is too big to operate on a "mah-and-pah" platform. The company has outgrown its skill set. I think we need an organized, set-in-stone contract that spells out exactly when Bessie and Dan can contact me and what we both get when they do.

I truly dig the vendors who have contracts with SkyWest. I am a provider of Pilot Services: I don't get a contract, but Pepsi and Coke do? What kind of crap is that? If Pepsi doesn't fulfill the requirements, you replace them with Coke, right?


Replace me, SkyWest.

And Bessie and Dan are going to know who you are (and vice versa) with ALPA on the property? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. They don't know you and you don't know them because of how big we've become and how disconnected everyone is about all the other departments, not because a union isn't here.

Be careful what you ask for though. Some of the favors both sides enjoy will be gone as soon as everything is by the book.

JoeyMeatballs 06-16-2007 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by duvie (Post 180997)
I definitely see the need for a bonified union at SKW, but not ALPA.
ALPA serves in this order:
1. Themselves
2. Large Carriers
3. Small Carriers

ALPA at regionals is a conflict of interest. Higher pay scales on our end translate to higher costs for the majors which is not benificial for the legacy pilots that are still waiting for financial health in their airlines. Nobody is perfect, certainly not ALPA, but in this case its easy to see why they don't do much for regionals. Prater seems like a legitimate guy albeit still a politician. He, like most elected representatives, serves the interests of the financial majority. Not only do the five ALPA legacy carriers make up almost 25,000 ALPA members (which is almost twice that all the ALPA carriers that fly 70 seat and under) but those guys on average make at least twice what we do. Its not hard to see why ALPA will serve their interests before ours.

yes.............good points....reminds me of this little thing called "capitalism"


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