The problem with that view is that it is at least somewhat inaccurate. Every pilot goes to a regional thinking to get hired by a major after 5 years or so, but I think 40% or more are still there 10 years down the road if they haven't left the field. I would be interested in hearing a statistic.

Well, because previous the majors were not hiring. . .and only a few right now are hiring, Delta is one of them.

The 10 year figure is probably a reflection of that. Perhaps the 5 year number will return, but I'm not too sure of any regionals where guys can get to, and in under 5 years have the TPIC (not just the minimum - but competitive TPIC times) required to move on. It's far too variable to really be able to pick of the many out there, although I know it's possible.

Our current scope language offers us no protection. In fact, management has told our negotiating committee that "preferential hiring" at Skywest is the best they can offer us in terms of merger protection.

JP, not exactly.... what JA offered was that we would keep our date of hire for pay, but back of the pack for bidding. still a huge pay cut, and god knows I couldn't stomach sitting in the right seat for the snot nose, jelled hair, sketcher crowd, but that was just JA's initial offer, it can only get better from there.


ASA won't be shut down overnight. The new game is "retire and reward". Right now, Bombardier is taking trades of -200s for -700s, -705s, and -900s because there is huge demand for -200s in China, but they are out of production. What Skywest will do is trade in ASA's -200s and place the new airplanes at Skywest. This eliminates transfer costs. Attrition will take care of the pilots. When we're whittled down to about 500 pilots, they'll pull the plug on ASA and the above scenario will take place.

There could be some truth in all of this. That is why I've voiced my opinion loud and clear to my representitive. The CNC has already won several battles. We went from being sold/bought to 13% pay cuts and shrinking fleet, to getting a few new aircraft (sorry about that Comair guys, better us than scabwest) and pay cuts are off the table, we made huge gains in scheduling (credit to Pete where do) Let's split the difference on a couple of items and put this thing to bed.

Agreed it's not a requirement, except that the union has hung their hat on SKW unionization for the scope protection it offers. In return, they're trying for a trophy contract to woo the Skywest pilots into going ALPA.

You're right, but hang their hat, is the policy for now. If it becomes necessary later, they can always pursue other avenues. Our union leaders/CNC sware too me that they are "doing what polling tells them they want" and not guilty of the attitude of "we know what's best for you" Danny and Nick are pretty good guys, for now I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
I don't believe it will pass. Too many pilots over there are apathetic and believe management's story that it will hurt the company. They see the ASA pilots getting screwed and think it's because of the union. Also, many of the hardcore union supporters over there have left.[/QUOTE]

It's a coin toss. I was based in SLC and have had many SW jump seaters, if you put a gun to my head and said predict the outcome, I just couldn't. Of course working at ASA makes the "pull the trigger" scenario not such a bad option! kidding!!!!
Stick

JP where you DFW,SLC, or LAX? I ask because I was all of the above.

Good one stick? :confused: I know you know the definition of a scab so I won't spell it out for you, but nice colorful misuse for your personal gain. As far as Comair, we're also flying CVG with ex CA birds, so do a little more research! Yes it’s sad that they’re no longer CA birds/routes but not as sad as the red eye ATL-TUS-ATL CR9 routes we now fly 25 times a month. That red eye used to be flown by a MD-88/90. It leaves ATL at 21:15 arrives in TUS at 22:05. 1:25 turn then departs TUS at 23:00 and arrives in ATL at 6:00 a.m. Now that's SAD, we're a "regional" flying cross country 8 hour red eye FLTs! :confused:

BTW, take your cracks but I'm ATL based now and for July I got 19 days off with 88.5 hours of pay. I picked up 1 local (150% pay) out of DEN to drop my days off to 18 but that local took me to 103+, add that to the 3:45 holiday pay for July 4th and that makes 108 hours of pay for July. As for why ATL, my family and my wife’s family all live within a 4 hour drive from ATL which is a lot closer than a 4 hour flight from PHX. My family is most important to me and if incorrectly being called a "scab" because of were I work makes my family life all that much better than so be it.

Also, if SKW Inc wasn’t flying those Ex-CA birds then it might have been GoJet or MAG. Better SKW Inc than GoJet or MAG! But I guess I'm a Scab just like you are with those Ex-CA routes, XJT with your flying in LAX, RAH with Horizon DEN flying, MAG with CA and ASA flying, Mesaba, Pinnacle, etc......................... Please, everyone wake up!

See you in line on Echo.

Damn. I should have bid ATL.

There's a SKW domicile in ATL now!?:confused:

Was this rant suppose to have a point???? Yes, I know that Skywest flies former CA birds. Yes, I know that you have a base in ATL. Yes, I know you have a better contract and get paid more than we do.

So why do I call you scabwest? Because of the selfish attitude of so many of your pilots who say things like "why would I want to pay union dues when our company already gives us things that other union companies get" or my favorite; "the threat of a union is a better tool than having a union". The "better us than scabwest" comment goes to the fact that ASA and Comair unions have a long history of working with one another. If management is going to screw them over (and they did) it is better the airplanes go to a carrier that is at least working for the greater good and has in the past shown support for the Comair pilots.

I'm just curious, do you realize how positive the impact of the Comair strike was on the added pay/benefits that you receive at Skywest? I'm equally curious if you know that every ALPA member had his/her dues jacked up during the strike so that we could help pay the Comair pilot from the war chest+contributions so they would not be without at least some pay. So tell me, when the Comair pilots were on strike, how much did you pay to help pay their wages? 0.00, right? Yes, it is better that the CA planes go to a fellow ALPA carrier if they had to go at all.

Are skywest pilots true scabs? No. But is that attitude that so many of you have smell of scab, absolutely! If you're too cheap, too selfish, and too short sighted to do the right thing, get on the team, and become a union pilot, than at least display the intellect and common courtesy to shut the hell up.

Stick

Don’t lecture me; I’m not some young slick haired punk pilot. One day we’ll be unionized and we’ll merge, until then show some leadership and reframe from name calling. You’re sinking to the same level of stupidity and ignorance as those slick haired punk pilot’s are at. You know the ones, all air carriers have them.

How many times must I tell you my card is in! I support and back all ALPA carriers and I try to educate every pilot I come across. But remember, there are A-Holes at every carrier. My CA and I denied the jump to an ASA pilot the other day. He wanted to jump our flight down to ATL but the gate agent was very busy and told him politely he would have to wait. Apparently he thought he had waited long enough and decided to take his frustrations out on her. Telling her how SKW is screwing all ASA pilots and that she’s no different form her cocky pilots. My CA and I were standing less than 15’ away awaiting the arrival of our a/c when we over heard the argument. We gladly entered the conversation to take the pressure off of her and enjoyed denying him the jump, it didn’t matter that he was ASA or anyone else for that matter. He was denied because there’s a time and a place for everything and that was neither. Gate agents have the worst job in the biz so we as pilots should show a little more appreciation and respect.

You seem to forget that every airline has cracks and those cracks are what everyone sees. Understand that the majority of us at SKW really care; we’re not all Slaphappy’s. I can go on and on but I won’t, I’m just sick of all of you calling us what we're not.

So, Blah Blah Blah Blah BLAH! Wake up!

Yes, starting July 1st. Soon MAG (?) and RAH should have one there too.

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I heard at least 4 in the next class.