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rickair7777 06-15-2007 05:19 PM

Bad News for Mesa
 
Well this may be the significant turning point that many mesa watchers have been hoping for....

SKW pilots today got offered 150% pay to pick up extra trips to cover UAX flying which is being "dropped by another United Express Carrier" Hmmm....wonder who that could be.

Also I understand that the mesa UAX bids info is extremely overdue...I think bidding has started WITHOUT the UAX pilots.

saab2000 06-15-2007 05:40 PM

I hope AWAC is able to re-place some aircraft into the United system. That would be great!

The shortage is beginning to have an impact on daily ops everywhere, not only Mesa.

BoilerUP 06-15-2007 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 180962)
I hope AWAC is able to re-place some aircraft into the United system. That would be great!

A-friggin-men.

Too bad it'd probably be out of Dulles...:p

ghilis101 06-15-2007 05:46 PM

can someone say junior manning? kiss all your vacation time good bye this summer mesa and skw and probably everyone else!

JetJock16 06-15-2007 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by ghilis101 (Post 180970)
can someone say junior manning? kiss all your vacation time good bye this summer mesa and skw and probably everyone else!

Jr Manning at SKW isn't mandatory. We're able to negotiate (like positive spacing) and adjust the trip to fit our lives (only taking choice legs). Also SKW has placed all the flying in Open Time and not in to PBS so that we can get paid 150% instead of straight pay. That was a great move on Mgmnt side. SUX to be at Mesa!

Pilotpip 06-15-2007 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 180962)
I hope AWAC is able to re-place some aircraft into the United system. That would be great!.

I highly doubt it since AWAC owns the competition. However if Mesa is in fact loosing it it could mean more all the way around. I really hope Mesa is the sinking ship everybody is proclaiming.

ghilis101 06-15-2007 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 180974)
Jr Manning at SKW isn't mandatory.

so if theres nobody to cover a trip they cancel it?

ToiletDuck 06-15-2007 06:02 PM

AWAC coming in would be a dream come true. Nothing like seeing one of the good guys pull the slack for one of the bad guys.

saab2000 06-15-2007 06:02 PM

Junior manning isn't mandatory at AWAC either but they are heavy handed and dirty in their tactics to do it. But if you are "unavailable" then you are UNAVAILABLE. But a junior man is at 150% pay (not bad, especially since AWAC pays pretty well...) and if they are really short they will work with people in terms of positive space and other days off, etc. I have heard both good and bad.

Yeah, it sux to be at Mesa at the moment.

BTW, AWAC does not own the competition really. Sort of only. AWAC owns a significant portion of US Airways, but they are all Star Alliance and sometimes work together.

JetJock16 06-15-2007 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by ghilis101 (Post 180982)
so if theres nobody to cover a trip they cancel it?

That’s what reserves are for. In the past I’ve been able to negotiate double time (only once), hotel and positive spacing; but only when they're really hurting and for them it's better than cancelling flying. They don’t like to negotiate but when they’re in a pinch they will. I always use the line, “let me call you in your day off and try to send you cross country for BS pay.”


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