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Old 04-23-2022 | 12:06 PM
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According to 61.159 in order to satisfy the airplane class requirement you need 50 hours of multi, which bare minimum breaks down to 25 hours of AMEL and can credit an additional 25 hours of FFS in a training program. As of now myself, and I'm sure other greenhorns getting through their respective programs, have a portion of their AMEL split between dual received and PIC, let's say 10 dual received, and 15 PIC thereafter.

When completing IACRA, the section only asks for AMEL PIC, and not total thus preventing you from moving forward and submitting. There's a warning that states "Must have at least 50 hours in combined AMEL class hours and FFS class hours". 61.159 doesn't specify PIC, only total AMEL, resulting in a disconnect in the IACRA validation process. The obvious answer is to input it all as AMEL PIC and carry on, but curious what others have done when facing this? Maybe I missed something.

I plan to ask the training department this question, but figured I'd post it up here being that it's the weekend and see what the general response is, and to hopefully help out others when they get to this point.

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Old 04-23-2022 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BuckleUp
According to 61.159 in order to satisfy the airplane class requirement you need 50 hours of multi, which bare minimum breaks down to 25 hours of AMEL and can credit an additional 25 hours of FFS in a training program. As of now myself, and I'm sure other greenhorns getting through their respective programs, have a portion of their AMEL split between dual received and PIC, let's say 10 dual received, and 15 PIC thereafter.

When completing IACRA, the section only asks for AMEL PIC, and not total thus preventing you from moving forward and submitting. There's a warning that states "Must have at least 50 hours in combined AMEL class hours and FFS class hours". 61.159 doesn't specify PIC, only total AMEL, resulting in a disconnect in the IACRA validation process. The obvious answer is to input it all as AMEL PIC and carry on, but curious what others have done when facing this? Maybe I missed something.

I plan to ask the training department this question, but figured I'd post it up here being that it's the weekend and see what the general response is, and to hopefully help out others when they get to this point.
Thanks!
I was in the same boat as you. If memory serves me correctly, when I was in Indoc, they told us we could log all the multi dual hours as SIC under ‘class totals’ that you’re referring to. I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that’s what they told us. Definitely ask your training department though.
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Old 07-23-2022 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BuckleUp
According to 61.159 in order to satisfy the airplane class requirement you need 50 hours of multi, which bare minimum breaks down to 25 hours of AMEL and can credit an additional 25 hours of FFS in a training program. As of now myself, and I'm sure other greenhorns getting through their respective programs, have a portion of their AMEL split between dual received and PIC, let's say 10 dual received, and 15 PIC thereafter.

When completing IACRA, the section only asks for AMEL PIC, and not total thus preventing you from moving forward and submitting. There's a warning that states "Must have at least 50 hours in combined AMEL class hours and FFS class hours". 61.159 doesn't specify PIC, only total AMEL, resulting in a disconnect in the IACRA validation process. The obvious answer is to input it all as AMEL PIC and carry on, but curious what others have done when facing this? Maybe I missed something.

I plan to ask the training department this question, but figured I'd post it up here being that it's the weekend and see what the general response is, and to hopefully help out others when they get to this point.

Thanks!
BuckleUp, how did you resolve this question?
Thanks.
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Old 07-24-2022 | 04:55 PM
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BuckleUp, how did you resolve this question?
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I had this same problem. I input all amel hrs under Amel PIC and the examiner accepted
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Old 07-25-2022 | 04:28 AM
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It's a known bug with the IACRA team. Non-issue with limitation removal btw; only the ATP form
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Old 07-25-2022 | 08:30 PM
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Roger that guys, thanks for the info.
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