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b3181981 07-31-2022 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3470556)
Sadly there's not much more to it... Theres a list of things you simply can't have in your background to get a job at AA mainline and if you use the flow to circumvent that, they will let you fly their RJs, flow to mainline, then they will terminate your employment the first week of indoc.

So what is on this list that will get you fired?

MYOB 07-31-2022 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by b3181981 (Post 3470586)
So what is on this list that will get you fired?

Yeah I am curious. Because there are lots of people at Delta, United, AA with arrests/DUI's/multiple checkride fails. It's how you explain yourself that matters.

threeighteen 07-31-2022 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by MYOB (Post 3470603)
Yeah I am curious. Because there are lots of people at Delta, United, AA with arrests/DUI's/multiple checkride fails. It's how you explain yourself that matters.

DUI was one of them, drug charges another, general discharge another. It's one thing to be an awesome dude/dudette with one black mark and get an interview and get hired at mainline, but AA has fired people who flowed with those things because they couldn't get hired anywhere else besides a regional and AA didn't want them at mainline.

Wink 08-01-2022 01:11 AM


Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3470736)
DUI was one of them, drug charges another, general discharge another. It's one thing to be an awesome dude/dudette with one black mark and get an interview and get hired at mainline, but AA has fired people who flowed with those things because they couldn't get hired anywhere else besides a regional and AA didn't want them at mainline.

Im calling bs on this....

rickair7777 08-01-2022 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3470736)
DUI was one of them, drug charges another, general discharge another. It's one thing to be an awesome dude/dudette with one black mark and get an interview and get hired at mainline, but AA has fired people who flowed with those things because they couldn't get hired anywhere else besides a regional and AA didn't want them at mainline.

That is not plausible, that they would not offer flow knowing the applicant had a disqualifying factor, and not tell the applicant. How would they do a bait and switch like that and not get sued?

If a pilot did something disqualifying after being accepted into flow, but before actually flowing then they should not flow. Whether they keep their job at the regional is another matter.

If a pilot did something while on probation at AA, then duh of course they get fired.

It is however 100% plausible that flow-eligible regional pilots did something disqualifying before flowing and didn't disclose that to anyone. It's also 100% plausible that AA does background checks on new hires (from any source) and found such an issue. Duh, fired again.

Margaritaville 08-01-2022 09:53 AM

I'm going to have to raise the BS flag here too. AA completely controls the WOs, so if they wanted someone fired that bad they could just instruct the WO to fire them. Even off probation there's always a legitimate reason to fire someone. It's not hard. Spend a little time as a union rep. We screw stuff up every day that nobody would notice unless they were looking, and for certain people they're looking.

Unless you can give me actual numbers of people who flowed to AA and were fired due to background issues, this is nothing but another urban legend. Even if it did happen, like Rick said, the offense probably happened while they were at the WO and they hid it and AA found it. Duh.

tommy2times 08-01-2022 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by MYOB (Post 3470603)
Yeah I am curious. Because there are lots of people at Delta, United, AA with arrests/DUI's/multiple checkride fails. It's how you explain yourself that matters.

I know of a gal with 2 DUIs at Delta and an AA guy with a credit card fraud felony convection in his background. Aviate is a scam.

MYOB 08-01-2022 06:06 PM

I know a person with 2 initial 121 ATP checkride fails at United. All these things are not as career ending as you think it would be.

Again, it's how much time has passed, what you did since then, how you changed your life, how you upgraded to captain and passed recurrent multiple times to overcome the fails, how you explain yourself, etc.

AllYourBaseAreB 08-04-2022 01:43 PM

I’ve never heard of this “list”. I know many maaaany flows, including ones that were fired, and this was never a topic of discussion.

Thatsapproved 08-04-2022 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by Pancakelandings (Post 3468155)
Aviate’s goal is to keep you at their feeders for 4-5 years. In this market if you’re goal is to get to UAL faster you’re better off going to a competitor like AA WO, LCC, etc.

Aviate will likely get you there, just probably not as quickly as advertised or you’re hoping.

Dude you’re not ready for mainline without at least 4 years at a regional…


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