Does AVIATE Suck?
07-27-2022, 03:56 PM
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Does AVIATE Suck?
Just trying to get the feel for AVIATE from those of you that are in the program. Are you happy with the process? Do you feel like you’re being bypassed so UAL could keep you at their feeders? Would you recommend AVIATE?
07-27-2022, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp
Just trying to get the feel for AVIATE from those of you that are in the program. Are you happy with the process? Do you feel like you’re being bypassed so UAL could keep you at their feeders? Would you recommend AVIATE?
Aviate will likely get you there, just probably not as quickly as advertised or you’re hoping.
07-27-2022, 04:52 PM
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Flow programs generally suck if YOU don't suck.
If you suck (lazy, background issues, etc) then flow programs offer a means to still get to the big leagues. The price of admission is manning the oars at the feeders for longer.
If you suck (lazy, background issues, etc) then flow programs offer a means to still get to the big leagues. The price of admission is manning the oars at the feeders for longer.
07-28-2022, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp
It sounds like you are required to fly for a UAL feeder if accepted into AVIATE. Is that correct?
07-28-2022, 07:01 PM
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Aviate is bad. It's not a 100% guarantee like envoy/Piedmont. You have to meet certain criteria in the past 5 years (no more than one 121 failure, disciplinary history, attendance record, etc) or you will be dinged. No communication at all. Questionable time frames. Etc.
Further, you will potentially have to work for 36 bucks an hour for many years... Depending on the aviate partner you chose. Either way, envoy/Piedmont pays much more than aviate partners and you are 100% guaranteed a job at AA regardless of your history.
Further, you will potentially have to work for 36 bucks an hour for many years... Depending on the aviate partner you chose. Either way, envoy/Piedmont pays much more than aviate partners and you are 100% guaranteed a job at AA regardless of your history.
07-29-2022, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MYOB
Aviate is bad. It's not a 100% guarantee like envoy/Piedmont. You have to meet certain criteria in the past 5 years (no more than one 121 failure, disciplinary history, attendance record, etc) or you will be dinged. No communication at all. Questionable time frames. Etc.
Further, you will potentially have to work for 36 bucks an hour for many years... Depending on the aviate partner you chose. Either way, envoy/Piedmont pays much more than aviate partners and you are 100% guaranteed a job at AA regardless of your history.
Further, you will potentially have to work for 36 bucks an hour for many years... Depending on the aviate partner you chose. Either way, envoy/Piedmont pays much more than aviate partners and you are 100% guaranteed a job at AA regardless of your history.
07-29-2022, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
You are 100% guaranteed a job at AA, but AA has been known to fire guys after they've flowed to mainline for having black marks in their past (that were disclosed at time of interview with the WO regional) that are undesirable.
07-31-2022, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
There probably has to be more to it than that. The flow does not guarantee you immunity while on probation at AA... although some folks (especially younger) may take a good outcome for granted.
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