Does AVIATE Suck?
07-31-2022, 01:48 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
Sadly there's not much more to it... Theres a list of things you simply can't have in your background to get a job at AA mainline and if you use the flow to circumvent that, they will let you fly their RJs, flow to mainline, then they will terminate your employment the first week of indoc.
07-31-2022, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by b3181981
So what is on this list that will get you fired?
07-31-2022, 08:27 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by MYOB
Yeah I am curious. Because there are lots of people at Delta, United, AA with arrests/DUI's/multiple checkride fails. It's how you explain yourself that matters.
08-01-2022, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
DUI was one of them, drug charges another, general discharge another. It's one thing to be an awesome dude/dudette with one black mark and get an interview and get hired at mainline, but AA has fired people who flowed with those things because they couldn't get hired anywhere else besides a regional and AA didn't want them at mainline.
08-01-2022, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
DUI was one of them, drug charges another, general discharge another. It's one thing to be an awesome dude/dudette with one black mark and get an interview and get hired at mainline, but AA has fired people who flowed with those things because they couldn't get hired anywhere else besides a regional and AA didn't want them at mainline.
If a pilot did something disqualifying after being accepted into flow, but before actually flowing then they should not flow. Whether they keep their job at the regional is another matter.
If a pilot did something while on probation at AA, then duh of course they get fired.
It is however 100% plausible that flow-eligible regional pilots did something disqualifying before flowing and didn't disclose that to anyone. It's also 100% plausible that AA does background checks on new hires (from any source) and found such an issue. Duh, fired again.
08-01-2022, 09:53 AM
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I'm going to have to raise the BS flag here too. AA completely controls the WOs, so if they wanted someone fired that bad they could just instruct the WO to fire them. Even off probation there's always a legitimate reason to fire someone. It's not hard. Spend a little time as a union rep. We screw stuff up every day that nobody would notice unless they were looking, and for certain people they're looking.
Unless you can give me actual numbers of people who flowed to AA and were fired due to background issues, this is nothing but another urban legend. Even if it did happen, like Rick said, the offense probably happened while they were at the WO and they hid it and AA found it. Duh.
Unless you can give me actual numbers of people who flowed to AA and were fired due to background issues, this is nothing but another urban legend. Even if it did happen, like Rick said, the offense probably happened while they were at the WO and they hid it and AA found it. Duh.
08-01-2022, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MYOB
Yeah I am curious. Because there are lots of people at Delta, United, AA with arrests/DUI's/multiple checkride fails. It's how you explain yourself that matters.
08-01-2022, 06:06 PM
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I know a person with 2 initial 121 ATP checkride fails at United. All these things are not as career ending as you think it would be.
Again, it's how much time has passed, what you did since then, how you changed your life, how you upgraded to captain and passed recurrent multiple times to overcome the fails, how you explain yourself, etc.
Again, it's how much time has passed, what you did since then, how you changed your life, how you upgraded to captain and passed recurrent multiple times to overcome the fails, how you explain yourself, etc.
08-04-2022, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pancakelandings
Aviate’s goal is to keep you at their feeders for 4-5 years. In this market if you’re goal is to get to UAL faster you’re better off going to a competitor like AA WO, LCC, etc.
Aviate will likely get you there, just probably not as quickly as advertised or you’re hoping.
Aviate will likely get you there, just probably not as quickly as advertised or you’re hoping.
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