ATTENTION ALL AMERICAN EAGLE PILOTS:
RE: FLIGHT 4539/20 JUNE YYZ-BOS
FLIGHT 4539 ENCOUNTERED SOME DIFFICULTIES TODAY
DURING THEIR INITIAL LANDING ATTEMPT. THE CREW
ELECTED TO GO-AROUND AND LANDED SUCESSFULLY ON
THEIR SECOND ATTEMPT. THE AIRCRAFT WAS STOPPED ON
THE RUNWAY AND ALL PAX AND CREW MEMBERS DEPLANED
WITHOUT ANY INJURIES. THE AIRCRAFT DID SUSTAIN
SOME DAMAGE TO THE FLAPS AND BELLY PANEL. WE ARE
INVESTIGATING THE EVENT, IN COOPERATION WITH ALL
AUTHORITIES, AND WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED AS WE KNOW
MORE.
THANKS FOR YOUR PROFESSIONALISM, AND FLY SAFE
JIM WINKLEY


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ATTENTION ALL AMERICAN EAGLE PILOTS
RE: UPDATE ON YYZ-BOS FLIGHT
I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE LATEST
DEVELOPMENTS REGARDING THE INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED WITH
ONE OF OUR FLIGHTS IN BOSTON. AS MANY ARE PROBABLY AWARE,
FOOTAGE IS AVAILABLE DEPICTICTING THE AIRCRAFT CONTACTING
THE GROUND WITH THE LANDING GEAR RETRACTED. A TEAM
COMPRISED OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM AE, EMBRAER, THE NTSB AND
THE FAA HAVE CONDUCTED TESTS ON THE AIRCRAFT TO DETERMINE IF
ANY MECHANICAL DISCREPANCIES COULD BE FOUND. INITIAL RESULTS
INDICATE A POSSIBLE FAILURE OF A LANDING GEAR COMPONENT THAT
MAY HAVE GIVEN FALSE INDICATIONS TO THE PILOTS THAT THE
LANDING GEAR WAS DOWN AND LOCKED PRIOR TO LANDING. WE WILL
PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAILS AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE.
THANKS FOR YOUR CONTINUED PROFESSIONALISM, AND FLY SAFE.
JIM WINKLEY

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TO: ALL EMB PILOTS
FROM: CAPTAIN JEFF HOLT, DIRECTOR FLIGHT OPS TECHNICAL
CAPTAIN MARK BROWN, MANAGER OF FLIGHT SAFETY
DATE: THURSDAY, JUNE 21, 2007
RE: LG/LEVER DISAGREE EICAS MESSAGE
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FLIGHT OPERATIONS AND FLIGHT SAFETY CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
ALL PARTIES INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION OF THE INCIDENT
THAT OCCURRED IN BOS ON JUNE 20.
.
IN THE MEANTIME, THE FOLLOWING GUIDANCE HAS BEEN ISSUED AS
A F4 SAFETY MESSAGE ON ALL EMB RELEASES:
.
WHENEVER THE EICAS WARNING LG/LEVER DISAGREE MESSAGE IS
PRESENTED AFTER GEAR EXTENSION, THE LANDING GEAR SHOULD
BE CONSIDERED UNSAFE, REGARDLESS OF GEAR POSITION
INDICATIONS ON THE EICAS OR RMU. AN IMMEDIATE GO AROUND
MUST BE INITIATED, AND THE EMERG/ABNORM PROCEDURE
LG/ LEVER DISAGREE MUST BE FOLLOWED.

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While Eagle can't say what the problem was until the NTSB makes a determination, it seems plausable to presume from these messages that it was mechanical, and not a crew issue.


SAABaroowski, has Xjet published a similar safety of flight advisory?

Yeah, they are currently "working with Embraer" on some possible causes/remedies I believe is what the email said........

I've been flying the aircraft for nine months so I might not know that much about it. In the video, the nose landing gear door is open but the nlg remains retracted. If the crew were to forget to put the landing gear lever down and then remember at the last second and then place the gear lever down, then the nlg would have tried to extend and that would have been obvious in the video. What the video showed is the nlg door open and the nlg retracted.

The EMB landing gear lever is only an electrical switch. The switch is either up or down. With no malfunctions, the nose landing gear doors won't open unless the landing gear lever was placed in the down position.

I've read in a different thread ("Eagle Gear Problems") on this forum that the problem was replicated while the aircraft was on jacks. This is unconfirmed though.

Get your Foot out of your *** I mean Mouth genius FYI I am in an RJ and I have been tru Military training and so far NO CAPT has had any problem with me or my Airmanship you should know I am always asking questions of Capt because the FO seat should be viewed as a Capt in Training Seat. so yes I will always ask questions because a Good Pilot is ALWAYS learning no matter what seat you are sitting in, and to answer your *** UM Tions about crews being replaced because neither pilot has 50 hours you appear to dont have a CLUE about 121 ops.. Most Capt have tons of hours in the aircraft but may be Green as Captains for a month or 2 but by no means does any carrier I know of will put 2 people with Less than 50 hours each in the airplane togeher, and one more thing I have Saved my fair share of Captains Behind because I was paying attention and I have had my behind saved by Captains who were paying attention, that is why most Transport Cat aircraft are certificated to be operated by a minimum of 2 crews Pilot Flying and Pilot Monitoring.. I take it you are GODs Gift to Aviation and you NEVER make an error or you will not but I hope thats not the case becaue your Attitude SUCKS..

There was no info. at all posted about this incident being mechanical or not previous to my last post. It seems now to be absolutely mechanical and the pilots should be applauded for the way they handled the incident. How many of us would have been alert enough to go around when expecting nothing bad was happening and end the flight with very minimal damage to the A/C? My apologies to any of you out there that think I was accusing the crew of pilot error, I wasn't.

*All i'm saying is that a few of these very inexperienced pilots being hired at regionals everywhere will show up on the news very soon!*

Just Go Away already.....

You're the one that keeps me coming back, low timer;)

RobThree, you might not want to post confidential e-mails we receive about company business. Especially those e-mails which have a manager's name and content about an ongoing incident investigation. The general public is not privy to this info and can only be viewed by logging on to SABRE.

You probably could have just kept your mouth shut and not passed any kind of judgement unil a few more facts came out.

Like I said, the fact that you used the term "pilot error", as well as what I said in the above confirms you probably don't know too much about 121 flying.

So stewie...since you have sooooooooo much experience...what do you do for a living?!

Or are you one of those tools that is all talk, that comes on here talking like they know it all?!

Oh so you had a look at my log book, Geezzzzz you are so Juvinile Ill say it again Go AWAY.. YOU SUCK..

dont worry.... he only saw your first one. He didnt see the other 3 logbooks beside it ;)

I had the opportunity to meet the FO (flying pilot) of this erj last weekend during NIFA. Great guy!…great story amazing job!!!

TI-

Had they not gone around, it looks like it would have been a real "greaser" by bellying it on standards.:D