Bad day at BOS
 

Hope it doesn't involve a "carpet dance" in the Chief Pilots Office.

Shortcut to: http://www.myfoxboston.com/myfox/pag...d=1.1.1&sflg=1

Man, that sucks. Gives me the chills.

I always love it when they say "the plane dumped some fuel."

The pictures show the nose gear doors open. If someone had moved the handle at the last second, as the "expert" said, wouldn't the mains be moved at least a bit. This one doesn't add up.

That guy is no expert. Where do they get these people?

Of course it does not add up. Lets say for the sake of argument that the pilots waited till the last second to drop the gear. The gear warning would have been screaming at them for some time before they got to the ground, unless the circuit breaker was pulled.

I agree. Embraer will probably be traveling to the states.

I hate ignorant media. Expert my a**.

Definitely is a disappointment that something like this has happened. I do hope that it was the aircraft and not the crew. After this, we can expect to have multiple "gear down" confirmations if it was the latter of the causes. Definitely awesome that the plane didn't light up. Good recovery guys!

I don't think it was a good recovery, they went around after the belly of the aircraft scraped the ground and flew around for an hour with unknown damage.

What would you have done differently?

Doesn't Canadian ATC ask to confirm Gear Down 3-green when giving a landing clnc?

Anybody have an opinion on that one?

Lax

I don't the answer to your question, but this was in boston.

Military towers do.

No they don't

Interesting....I had a professor who bellied in an O-2 when he was in the military.

The cockpit voice recorder should clear most of this up.

-Ben

Oh...well, someone told me that they did...

Well back to my question...Anybody have an opinion on the whole "gear down" confirmation thing?

Lax

Unbelievable, well tell us, what would you have done?, landed belly up, slid off the side of the runway impacted terrain, have the airplane come apart and have....... oh I dunno 3,000lbs of Jet-A soak the passengers then ignite????? When something is wrong especially that close to the ground, you gotta get the hell out of there, FLY FIRST FIX SECOND. Just because its not in a manual or is not clearly printed out for you in some dumb QRH does not mean it was the wrong thing to do, despite what people think, or what technology has done for us the one thing people seem to forget is that simple stick & rudder skills is what saves peoples asses.............I believe this is the second time a quick thinking Eagle crew had escaped what could of been a terrible incident.........

PS I do not know the whole story, but from what I have been told they may have gone around ebcuase they were not sure if they could Land & Hold short.........not sure if they realized what was going on, but even so good decision to go around..................

How long ago was this? If he is a professor I'm sure it was many years ago. Try reading the 7110. It spells everything out.

What I was told by a friend based in BOS is that the the before landing checklist was complete, with a 3 green indication. There might have been a air/ground fail ICAS indication so the crew felt unsure, so the did the right thing and went around, scraping the runway as a result. But as in previous posts i agree, the media are a bunch of morons. you cant dump fuel on the emb145.

Military controllers do require a "3-Down" call...at least in the Navy. I still check rolling into the groove and again on final! I've always been told "there are those who have...and those who will!" Looks like a malfunction to me though.

For the sake of argument, let's say that it was a malfunction. How then does it work good when they finally make the approach the second time. Also, if they were having gear trouble, why didn't the crew declare?

In my airplane, it is very obvious when the gear drops out. The three greens confirm it but I also hear it pop out with increased wind noise and noticable drag.

I am waiting to read about this one in more detail.

I am loathe to 'Monday morning quarterback' but things don't add up.

My .02

Just like tailwheel pilots... there are those who have ground looped and those that will.

Pretty good pic's for someone randomly just watching. For the ERJ guys, is there any way the gear doors can drop w/o the gear coming out? It was hard to tell, but it almost looked as if the main's were maybe 6" extended, but that's all I could really see.

Just remember, the media will always use their standard storylines when it comes to aviation, just to spice it up regardless of the situation.

IIRC, the reports indicated they performed a manual gear extension (however that works on a 145?). That would explain the ability to get the gear down if it was an indication problem and also the multiple tower flybys.

IF. . . they had forgotten and at the last moment, remembered to drop the gear, wouldn't have been better to execute a go-around rather than risk what happened? How much trouble would they have gotten into if that had happened?

STEWIE quit your Bit ch ing...

Tell me how many hours we give our Fighter Pilots before we cut them Loose to fly Multi Million dollar aircraft SOLO... the case for the 250 hour wonder pilot has been beaten to Death,, I say it already and I will say it again,, Ill take a Low time person with quality time than a high time person with bad habits and not so good quality time..

Military training vs. sub-par commuter training... is it even legal to compare the two? This subject needs to be beaten some more because when airlines have to replace crews because neither pilot has 50 hrs. in the airplane, something bad will happen eventually. Are you fighting this subject so harshly because you are one of them in the right seat of an RJ having to deal with all the ****ed off captains that don't want to teach you how to talk on the radio?

I know I'm a little late in my reply. But if you have correct crosswind correction you won't slide off the runway, I've seen it done (granted in a GA plane). I just see It as a much greater risk going around after impacted the ground and scraping the belly.

250 wonder pilot?
 

The 250hr wonder pilot argument doesn't hold water at Eagle. The captain is most likely a former TWA captain with a bizilian hours and the F.O. has been siting over on the right flipping the gear switch for 8 years.

I'de say from the look of things, there was some mechanical problem. through the whole series of photos, the gear doors don't move. If the gear was cycles late, you would think you would see the gear start to peak out on the go-around.

My .02, don't know ERJ systems.

Seneca driver

The fact that you used the term "pilot error" confirms that you probably don't know too much about what is being discussed.

To answer your question, yes, there are circumstances where the gear doors can drop without the gear coming out.

However, if in the above scenario, you would have A LOT more indications that there was something SERIOUSLY wrong with the aircraft. Not just a disagreement with the LG sensor, or whatever happeened to these guys.

250 hour wonders? The FO's cant find their own seats? And finally, you havent heard any rumors about this incident and basically you dont know anything about so what the hell are you doing even talking about it.

I dont use this word unless it is completely neccessary... but in this case it is...

DUMBASS!!!!

You my friend know nothing of what you are talking about so go post somewhere else.

The 2 main facts here are:

1. The gear was indicating 3 green lights and no one knows how this happened, not even EMB.

2. The pilots did a damn good job. This could have been a terrible accident and my hats are off to the two pilots.

FOX news has already recieved several phone calls for mis-reporting the facts on this story, and who ever the aviation expert was is a mystery to me, but obviously he is no expert.

I love it, "Sub-Par" commuter training, guess what genius, it was the Sub-Bar Eagle training department that may have helped these pilots as well as the hardover they had a few years back get the airplane back on the ground in one piece.................get a clue.............

I have to agree with your comments here. I honestly don't know what I would actually do in a similar situation, but I think that the safest bet would have been to stay on the ground here...at least you know what you have when you are on the ground, and the crash crew is very near-by in case things go badly. Taking an aircraft with unknown damage into the air is not the best option in my mind. What happens if there is structural damage severe enough to cause inability to fly issues at 6000 feet after the go-around? A lawn dart crash is going to be far less survivable than a belly landing. I wasn't there, and I applaud the crew for bringing it back safely, but in the end, even though it all worked out, it doesn't necessarliy mean that it was the safest call.

If my University's system class was right, the doors are held up hydraulically. But, if they had a loss of hydraulic pressure, then the ailerons and rudder wouldn't function. I don't this was the issue.

yes they would have, they just would have been a lot harder to manipulate

Thats what I was talking about. The gear doors, not the flight controls. And like I said, they would have known about it WAY prior to the before landing check and verifying the gear was down and locked.

the flight controls on the Emb have mechanical backups (cables and pulleys like a cessna).... they'll still work... its just a little "harder" to fly.

But I dont think anyone would just lose all their hydraulics and come on in and land like nothing happen.

This incident is some kind of computer error and we wont know what happened until the investigation is done. No more speculating.