Florida domciles? Gulfstream??
 

Hey everyone- looking for some info on Gulfstream airlines. I'm currently on the CRJ200 and commuting to Detroit from Tampa (not an easy thing). I hear that Gulfstream is hiring and has a domicile in Tampa. Any thoughts on them? Do they hire from outside their PFT school? What are the times for upgrade there and what are the chances of getting hired as a street captain? QOL?

I dont want to take a step backward in my career by going somewhere where I make less than what I do now, but commuting is starting to take its toll on me. The appeal of living where I want to live in domicile is the real reason I'm considering it. Anyone know of any other outfits that are hiring in the area?

Thanks for the help!

Isn't that the place you have to pay to get into the right seat? If so, thats just wrong. Stay away from that place.

...They were hiring street captains a little while ago. I'm pretty sure that you don't have to pay for your training then...

Drop them an email and see what they have to say???

As long as you have the ATP mins, you will get hired as a street captain. I think they are still hiring for that.

Hey ace I know several guys that came from the 'stream and moved on to 9E then went back as CA's cuz they hated the commute. Good luck with whatever you choose.

Thanks everyone for the replies.

Hey Rook- did they seem to enjoy flying at Gulfstream? I am wondering what the quality of life would be like there as opposed to 9E. I dont mind flying a prop if I can be living in domicile and have a decent schedule.

Any other thoughts on Gulfstream?

And they are hiring street captains with 1500 TT?

I'm pretty sure their (the pilots who left) QOL is better than at 9E. But this is only because a lot of them live in South FL. I have no idea what the schedules are like. My opinion is if you have a chance to get PIC time quickly and G-stream is the answer, then have at it. One guy I know went from 1900 CA to 767 int'l at CAL and that was his first jet. Good luck to you.

The QOL is like most regionals...they will take advantage of you but we are all in the same boat. But as stated by another post if you are AT HOME, its as good as it gets. And also you now have jet time so if you have 1500 hours they will hire you off the street as a capt. Get your year in an move on. Hope this helps. But if you dont have ATP mins they have never hired an F/O.

Two guys from my former employer went to Gulfstream. Both were relatively junior at ACA, neither was able to get any PIC time. Plenty of turbine SIC. Well, when the human waste impacted the oscillating enviormental control device, they went on down to Florida.

They sucked it up, one is now at FedEx, the other flying 74's on a contract gig for JALWays.

Is there a training contract for street captains??

The guys I know that went there never said anything about it, maybe. I think the you will pay either way. Not monetrily so to speak. Whether you like it or not, low pay, lots of legs, working for substandard managment, and the real peach, being a B1900 flight instructor whether you want to or not.

It's a use-use relationship, kinda like MESA.

Please don't do it. That is as polite as I can be.

What are the senior/ junior bases?

why shouldnt he do it if it works out for him? hes getting hired as a street captain. the pay isnt the best, but hes at home.

Whats the reason? Is there something else I don't know about Gulfstream? I am expecting to work long days for a lot less as a captain than I would make most other places if I go over there. Also its kind of a given that I will have to fly with low time pilots, but that goes with the territory there. I suppose any place you go has negatives, and lets face it- the regional airline industry sucks for the most part but you just have to put in your time and move on.

Your going to have to commute anyway once you move on. I dont know any "major" airline with a TPA base. So the question is do you want to fly a 1900 for a crappy company for crappy wages just to do what you are doing now?

Would one be able to hold a line in PBI right out of IOE? What is the order of bases, based on seniority?

to the best of my knowledge new hire captains will not be placed in tampa. Tampa and PBI are the two best bases that they have. There's rumors of new bases in the north east and I'm quite sure they will be the junior bases.


As far as holding a line right out or IOE...as an FO very possible, as a street hire captain, extreamly unlikely. You'll have probably 100 FO's senior to you that will continue to upgrade and get lines before you.

What are the junior bases? How long would it take to hold Tampa?
I would expect to be beneath all the upgraded FOs- its like that anywhere. Thats the problem with being a street captain- you will be at the bottom for a while any way you look at it.

They will put you in Key West and then you will commute or move anyway. By the way I hope you have a CFI because the PFT guys will be learning how to fly and by that I mean basics. You won't get paid to instruct though. Not to mention you will be stuck there for a while because you won't just walk in to a major.

hahaha...well, I have CFI/CFII/MEI...

I have a few months to decide what I want to do...

why not? do you do the hiring for major airlines?

You have no clue. There are Streamers that are getting hired at majors.

They are currently not hiring street captain but will be hiring roughly 20 soon. Gulfstream is not alot of fun to deal with but you get alot of hours very quickly and if you have the 1500 tt (especially with jet time) your chances are good. As far as the northeast thing, supposedly the corprate part of the deal is done, now come the logistics of staffing and what not. As far as getting TPA captain slot you have a fairly good chance, I believe they cant even fill the captain slots there. PBI is a different question, but the way there is a mass exodus from the "stream" priorities might change by tomarrow. The only plus I can say for Streamers is that everyone shares a common hate for the company, and most of the pilots are really cool. But you will quickly hate the company but if your after 1000pic then you will have it less than a year out of OE. Many captains from the stream are going to SW, Spirit, and some international 135 like Miami Air. TPA is one of the better bases so good luck.

I second everything that was said here. But to add to that.. I lived in Tampa and drove to work. I was home everynight and that alone made it awhole lot better. The flying out of Tampa is usually to the north so you say away from the corporate crap of Lauderdale and Miami. Mostly all day trips. Some of them long days but for the most part decent. Lots of good people in Tampa also. Let me know if you have any other questions. Good luck to you..

Well he didnt get that job because of his time at Gulfstream thats for sure.......................... and at CAL you fly the 757/767 some domestic some international................., not one or the other...............

your right...him being an ioe captain on the 1900 and a captain on the emb-120 and getting his pic time and then applying to a major had nothing to do with it. yes he had connections to help get him the job as do most people, but he still needed pic time to meet the quals.

you are aware that the PIC time could have been in a C-150 aren't you? Believe me we have 5,000hr PIC Jet guys that are check-airmen here that cant get an interview from CAL................. I am not saying this fella isnt qualified but I doubt the guys at CAL were super impressed with his "Beech 1900 check-Airmen status"

Nevermind..

Where these guys hired as street captains? If so why no PIC time?

1) Yes, hired as street CA's at Gulfstream
2) Do you you know anything about ACA? The last time they upgraded anybody was in March 2003. These guys were not senior enough to hold CA but were FO's for years before the company went out of business.

Have a buddy that got hired as a street CA and flew 120hrs and left. Lived at base in TPA and said he hated the job,company,airplanes, and would not wish it on his worst enemy...but who knows thats just one view....and if your building the time it might be worth it.

i would rather work at gulfstream then work at mesa again.

Depends on where you're trying to go. SW is Turbine PIC, UPS/FedEX is Multi Turbine PIC.

Did your buddy have to pay them back for training cost??

The Great Santini would never work there...:cool: