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Old 07-11-2007 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Deez340
Someone has to do the flying. Skywest has an agreement with Delta to provide feed in ATL. If for some reason, and I can't think of one, they decide to break that agreement there will be a long line of carriers waiting to take their place. It's over 700 flights a day.
Skywest airlines does not have an agreement to fly 700 flights a day in ATL. ASA prior to the sale to SW had a contract which was modified to say that ASA would get 80% (I'm pretty sure on the percentage) of all DCI flying as long as they met certain objectives. The flying that Skywest airlines is doing in ATL is "additional flying" that Delta put up for bid. It could have gone to Xjet, SW, or ASA or Bill & Teds excellent adventure Air (my money was on them!) The only way that ASA is going away is if they fail to secure contracts with Delta or someone else. All regionals are having problems getting pilots right now......

Do you really think that if ASA shut the doors all 1700+ pilots would go apply at Skywest as $19 F.O.s?

Hell no! you would lose 500 to 600 pilots overnight who simply would not do it. They couldn't afford too. They would take non aviation jobs that paid more or go to other airlines who would go out of their way to absorb them (in part because they are an ALPA carrier)

The pilot shortage (for crap jobs, and for the records mine is a crap job) is actually putting the ASA pilots in the drivers seat.

Our management has been coming to our recurrent ground classes for months telling us that if we have worked here for more than 7 to 8 years we should be looking for a new job (Tutt and Hall). They want to get rid of us and replace us with a newer, cheaper (kool aid drinking) work force. The union response to the pilot shortage was simple. Take care of the pilots you have and you won't need to hire so many.

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Old 07-12-2007 | 06:09 AM
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Things are starting to get kind of interesting!!! don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing though. but it's interesting.
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Old 07-12-2007 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by stickwiggler
Skywest airlines does not have an agreement to fly 700 flights a day in ATL. ASA prior to the sale to SW had a contract which was modified to say that ASA would get 80% (I'm pretty sure on the percentage) of all DCI flying as long as they met certain objectives. The flying that Skywest airlines is doing in ATL is "additional flying" that Delta put up for bid. It could have gone to Xjet, SW, or ASA or Bill & Teds excellent adventure Air (my money was on them!) The only way that ASA is going away is if they fail to secure contracts with Delta or someone else. All regionals are having problems getting pilots right now......

Do you really think that if ASA shut the doors all 1700+ pilots would go apply at Skywest as $19 F.O.s?

Hell no! you would lose 500 to 600 pilots overnight who simply would not do it. They couldn't afford too. They would take non aviation jobs that paid more or go to other airlines who would go out of their way to absorb them (in part because they are an ALPA carrier)

The pilot shortage (for crap jobs, and for the records mine is a crap job) is actually putting the ASA pilots in the drivers seat.

Our management has been coming to our recurrent ground classes for months telling us that if we have worked here for more than 7 to 8 years we should be looking for a new job (Tutt and Hall). They want to get rid of us and replace us with a newer, cheaper (kool aid drinking) work force. The union response to the pilot shortage was simple. Take care of the pilots you have and you won't need to hire so many.

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I was told that ASA would be guaranteed 85% of DCI flying in ATL (provided certain performance numbers where maintained). I don't know that 85% included an ASA/SKW combo or if it had to be specifically ASA. Anyway my point was to answer the other guy's question about what would happen to people who depended on ASA to fly them to commuter cities out of ATL.

All i was saying was that if all of ASA's planes spontaneously combusted today somebody else would be flying pax to Valdosta tomorrow. When Eastern went away American's didn't stop flying to South America they just started flying to South America on American Airlines instead. (AA picked up the lion's share of EAL's SA routes if memory serves.)
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Old 07-12-2007 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by stickwiggler
Take care of the pilots you have and you won't need to hire so many.
What an easy concept to grasp. Not sure why airlines (Not all airlines) want to run their outfits like a retail store in the mall.
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