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Pinnacle Training
Well everyone, I start training at Pinnacle in a month and was wondering what I need to bring with me . I have done a search and couldn't find anything so please don't flame me. Should I go ahead and order a chart case, luggage, jepp binders, etc.? Should I wait until I get there to order stuff and if I do wait does PNCL offer payroll deduction for that stuff? If they offer payroll deduction I think I would rather do that so I don't have to spend so much money up front before I even see a paycheck. Thanks for the input!
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I'm sorry to hear that and send my condolences. Don't buy anything until you pass the checkride in three months from now. A few will get left behind and others will leave when the get a feel for the company; It is like having a bad STD and will rub you wrong every day. As for paycheck deductions, the only ones are for uniform ($16 for your plastic wings), $300 for the leather jacket (that you can purchase elsewhere for $80) and anytime you jumpseat and the NWA gate agent happens to code you wrong (want to fix it? Sorry, they can't do that). As for jepp binders, they give you crappy plastic ones (no need to invest in nice leathers when nobody stays longer than a year). Good luck at that hotel and don't answer the door when the hookers knock at 2am..great neighborhood next to the mem airport. Expect to have at least one of your classmate's car broken into guaranteed.
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Congrats coldpilot! Just curious, when was your interview? How many in your group did not receive an offer? What kind of experience did your interview group have? What What have you heard about early upgrades? I have an interview on the 18th and was just wondering. Thanks.
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Don't worry about bringing too much with you. PNCL will supply the stuff you need in the beginning (manuals, etc., but you might want to bring your own notebook to take notes in though). You won't get your Jepp plates until after you pass your checkride and they give you some cheapo binders but I would recommend using your own if you want something nicer quality to hold your plates in. You will also need a flight case to hold all your stuff in when you go for your oral at the end of ground school but you'll have a couple of weeks to find one. Check out Office Max, I think I got mine for around 30-40 bucks.
Luggage is not really important until you start OE, so don't stress about that too much. Good luck in training and just stay focused and study and you'll be fine. And don't let them scare you about the hotel- its not in a great area so I would be careful, but I never had any hookers banging on my door. If you do have a car there though, I would definitely lock the doors and just be sensible about security stuff. |
Originally Posted by coldpilot
(Post 191774)
Well everyone, I start training at Pinnacle in a month and was wondering what I need to bring with me . I have done a search and couldn't find anything so please don't flame me. Should I go ahead and order a chart case, luggage, jepp binders, etc.? Should I wait until I get there to order stuff and if I do wait does PNCL offer payroll deduction for that stuff? If they offer payroll deduction I think I would rather do that so I don't have to spend so much money up front before I even see a paycheck. Thanks for the input!
Originally Posted by travelJunky
(Post 191814)
I'm sorry to hear that and send my condolences. Don't buy anything until you pass the checkride in three months from now. A few will get left behind and others will leave when the get a feel for the company; It is like having a bad STD and will rub you wrong every day. As for paycheck deductions, the only ones are for uniform ($16 for your plastic wings), $300 for the leather jacket (that you can purchase elsewhere for $80) and anytime you jumpseat and the NWA gate agent happens to code you wrong (want to fix it? Sorry, they can't do that). As for jepp binders, they give you crappy plastic ones (no need to invest in nice leathers when nobody stays longer than a year). Good luck at that hotel and don't answer the door when the hookers knock at 2am..great neighborhood next to the mem airport. Expect to have at least one of your classmate's car broken into guaranteed.
Solution.....go elsewhere. now i will say what i have always said. i live in mem (germantown). i like working at pinnacle. i will only be gone 9 nights for the month of july. all 2 day trips most of which start at 12 on day one and end at 800 the next day. my seniority will a captain spot now, just need a few more hours. i will admit that commuting sucks and if you have to do it and be on reserve life really sucks. the contract sucks, and is ammendable. we are trying to get some movement on it but everyone knows how that goes (look at asa). but this pilot group is good, and unified and will not settle for a subpar contract. so are there things that can be changed- absolutley. am i willing to walk if called to- absolutley. do i still like working here, yes i do. there are a lot of things that need to be changed but this attitude wont help us, and i hope for your own well being you have moved on to 'bigger and better things.' |
Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 191866)
congratulations. as far as what to buy i wouldn't worry about it to much. get you a chart case from office max to get you through training. dont worry about jepp binders and all that stuff, they give you that on your first day. he is right they are cheap plastic ones but mine have lasted almost 2 years and they will last a lot longer (they are in really good shape). you don't have to pay any money up front for anything. the only thing that you pay for is half of your uniform. and that is payroll deducted at 15 dollars a paycheck. no big deal. you get 400 dollars every friday and it is tax free so you get the full 400 so that does pretty good. if you have any other questions dont hesitate to ask.
you have 10 post, and all 10 posts are bashing pinnacle. pretty sad. i have had almost 2 years to feel the company and i like it here. you don't get charged up front for the wings, and they aren't plastic (scary you don't know what plastic is). you don't have to buy the jacket, i didn't, didn't think it was worth the money. the hotel isn't the best. thats what happens when the company headquarters is near the airport. never had any hookers knock on the door but did have one guys car broken into. nothing to do with the comapany and not sure what you would suggest the company do about it. have everyone stay in a hotel in germantown and bus them all in every morning? doesn't make sense. its not the company's fault mem is a crime hole. nothing they can do about it. now i will say what i have always said. i live in mem (germantown). i like working at pinnacle. i will only be gone 9 nights for the month of july. all 2 day trips most of which start at 12 on day one and end at 800 the next day. my seniority will a captain spot now, just need a few more hours. i will admit that commuting sucks and if you have to do it and be on reserve life really sucks. the contract sucks, and is ammendable. we are trying to get some movement on it but everyone knows how that goes (look at asa). but this pilot group is good, and unified and will not settle for a subpar contract. so are there things that can be changed- absolutley. am i willing to walk if called to- absolutley. do i still like working here, yes i do. there are a lot of things that need to be changed but this attitude wont help us, and i hope for your own well being you have moved on to 'bigger and better things.' Back to the original topic. You don't really need a car down in MEM during ground school, but it's nice to have it during the sim you don't have to always count on the hotel van. You don't need a flight case til you get done with ground school, you could get a cheap Office depot but it might not last you more than a few weeks. You will not get your jepps til your checkride is done then you can decide if you want to get the leather ones or not, that goes with the flight case too. Relax and have some fun, go out the the guys in your class once in awhile. |
much better
Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 191866)
congratulations. as far as what to buy i wouldn't worry about it to much. get you a chart case from office max to get you through training. dont worry about jepp binders and all that stuff, they give you that on your first day. he is right they are cheap plastic ones but mine have lasted almost 2 years and they will last a lot longer (they are in really good shape). you don't have to pay any money up front for anything. the only thing that you pay for is half of your uniform. and that is payroll deducted at 15 dollars a paycheck. no big deal. you get 400 dollars every friday and it is tax free so you get the full 400 so that does pretty good. if you have any other questions dont hesitate to ask.
you have 10 post, and all 10 posts are bashing pinnacle. pretty sad. i have had almost 2 years to feel the company and i like it here. you don't get charged up front for the wings, and they aren't plastic (scary you don't know what plastic is). you don't have to buy the jacket, i didn't, didn't think it was worth the money. the hotel isn't the best. thats what happens when the company headquarters is near the airport. never had any hookers knock on the door but did have one guys car broken into. nothing to do with the comapany and not sure what you would suggest the company do about it. have everyone stay in a hotel in germantown and bus them all in every morning? doesn't make sense. its not the company's fault mem is a crime hole. nothing they can do about it. now i will say what i have always said. i live in mem (germantown). i like working at pinnacle. i will only be gone 9 nights for the month of july. all 2 day trips most of which start at 12 on day one and end at 800 the next day. my seniority will a captain spot now, just need a few more hours. i will admit that commuting sucks and if you have to do it and be on reserve life really sucks. the contract sucks, and is ammendable. we are trying to get some movement on it but everyone knows how that goes (look at asa). but this pilot group is good, and unified and will not settle for a subpar contract. so are there things that can be changed- absolutley. am i willing to walk if called to- absolutley. do i still like working here, yes i do. there are a lot of things that need to be changed but this attitude wont help us, and i hope for your own well being you have moved on to 'bigger and better things.' Away from the details I think that Traveljunky knows what he is talking about as he was in training at your company and describes a lot of things that only a person that been in training there knows. What I have seen lately is that Traveljunky is not alone in his opinions and there are more like hime every day. Maybe it is time for your Company to stop and maybe start looking over things......who know it may be good for the company in the long run.......but it would not surprice me if the attitude is "Nothing wrong with our training" let's keep on with the same strategy. Who cares we lost tons of money on our training department last month.... or..who cares we had to pay tremendous fines to NW for all the flights we had to cancel due to lack of pilots.. at the same time that our wash out is among the highest..........it is just the stockholders money anyway......etc etc.......but hell no, "we do not need to change anything" "Our training and training department is Perfect and we are the greatest Regional to work for".......Keep the face Titanic. |
Originally Posted by travelJunky
(Post 191814)
I'm sorry to hear that and send my condolences. Don't buy anything until you pass the checkride in three months from now. A few will get left behind and others will leave when the get a feel for the company; It is like having a bad STD and will rub you wrong every day. As for paycheck deductions, the only ones are for uniform ($16 for your plastic wings), $300 for the leather jacket (that you can purchase elsewhere for $80) and anytime you jumpseat and the NWA gate agent happens to code you wrong (want to fix it? Sorry, they can't do that). As for jepp binders, they give you crappy plastic ones (no need to invest in nice leathers when nobody stays longer than a year). Good luck at that hotel and don't answer the door when the hookers knock at 2am..great neighborhood next to the mem airport. Expect to have at least one of your classmate's car broken into guaranteed.
Solution.....go elsewhere. Wings are plastic? wtf? leather jacket is not from the same company as the one you you order the uniform. We place the order for the uniform during ground school and Pinnacle paid for half. they deduct half from the paychecks, or you pay for it all up front. Perrone is the company that makes our leather jacket and they told me that I have to pay them directly, this is not deducted. So no one should invest in leather binders if they don't plans on staying more than a year. Is that because they can't use them anywhere else? :rolleyes: I've never had any problems with NWA agents, they go out of of their way to help us out when jumpseat on NWA, most of them will offer first class if they are open. |
I guess its been a week since there was a PNCL thread.... I am here, I like it, show up and do your job and all is well. O and traveljunky- there is no charge for non-rev for the employee... You should have learned that first week in class if you actually showed up and paid attention. Some people will complain wherever they go, and frankly I feel that if you applied, interviewed, and even showed up for day 1 of class you should check your ego at the door cause your full of sh*t. If you were so "informed" in regards to PNCL and thought it was soo bad you would have never ventured past the company website. For those who are actually taking a look at opinions from those who WORK at the company just run a search for higney85- its late and I have typed up way too many posts on PNCL in the last month!
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For you PNCL guys out there,
Is the basic indoc test an open book or not? |
Thanks for the replies. Guess I can save a bit of money!:D I know to take what people say on here with a grain of salt. I will definitely be going to PNCL. It's going to be a much better place than the "other" airline that I had an offer at. What is one man's trash is another man's treasure. Hopefully PNCL is not my trash or treasure but a good place to get started in the industry and advance my career as a professional pilot. I am looking forward to class and will see you all on the line in a couple of months.
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does PNCL type their FO's or is it just an SIC type
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Originally Posted by RJ900
(Post 191954)
For you PNCL guys out there,
Is the basic indoc test an open book or not? Indoc test is pretty easy, you take it after your first week. It's almost open book, the instructors will go over some of the questions on the test. |
Originally Posted by bintynogin
(Post 191980)
does PNCL type their FO's or is it just an SIC type
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traveljunky=theskyclear? sounds like it.
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Originally Posted by FLINHI
(Post 192067)
It's an SIC type, which means no steep turns or zero flap landing. That is the only difference.
Are you saying that during the checkride, there will not be a steep turn nor a zero flap landing at PNCL?:cool: |
How about stalls during the checkride?
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That is correct, no steep turns or zero flap landing on the checkride. But yes, there will be stalls on the checkride. Takeoff and approach to landing stalls. No clean stall.
Oh and my class got our Jepps at the end of ground school. I got my binders at olive branch airport - they were selling them for $8 a piece, since I guess all the FedEx guys went to electronic flight kits and were getting rid of all their binders. |
The basic indoc test is not open book. Just study the FOM and its a piece of cake. The day before the test they give you a really good overview as well.
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TravelJunky, your life must be pretty miserable because you seem like a person who complains about everything that isn't what you think it should be. If someone is excited about a new job, who are you to try to talk hiim out of it. Show some class. With that said, I love being at PNCL, I live in base (MEM) and am home quite often. The flying is fun, the pilot group is awesome and with the perks of the quick upgrade, I don't want to be anywhere else. I left another regional to come here for many reasons. One thing I will agree on is the lack of consistency in the training dept. Some people in my class busted on things that were ridiculous. Also, if you are looking for decent Jepp binders, go to Olive Brach airport, like Yzerman said, because you can get them very cheap!
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Originally Posted by theskyisclear
(Post 191918)
Sounds like Traveljunky has moved to much bigger and better things cause I believe he is at American Eagle now. At least I think so after reading all his postings.
Away from the details I think that Traveljunky knows what he is talking about as he was in training at your company and describes a lot of things that only a person that been in training there knows. What I have seen lately is that Traveljunky is not alone in his opinions and there are more like hime every day. Maybe it is time for your Company to stop and maybe start looking over things......who know it may be good for the company in the long run.......but it would not surprice me if the attitude is "Nothing wrong with our training" let's keep on with the same strategy. Who cares we lost tons of money on our training department last month.... or..who cares we had to pay tremendous fines to NW for all the flights we had to cancel due to lack of pilots.. at the same time that our wash out is among the highest..........it is just the stockholders money anyway......etc etc.......but hell no, "we do not need to change anything" "Our training and training department is Perfect and we are the greatest Regional to work for".......Keep the face Titanic. |
deja vu
Originally Posted by theskyisclear
(Post 191918)
Sounds like Traveljunky has moved to much bigger and better things cause I believe he is at American Eagle now. At least I think so after reading all his postings....
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I agree with everything schone just said... but the name is higney- no h in the middle! everyone messes it up! I just cant figure out why!
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Congrats to the new hire...look just bring your clothes and documents with...you shouldnt need anything else. I just past my checkride here and to tell you the truth the people here are great. No worries there. There are a number of people that don't make it through so when you get study study study...and when you think you have studied enough study somemore. You should have no problem. They have changed the training a little..they have these things called CPT's that are graphic flight display trainers and they are touch screen so you get to work in the cockpit and see how the buttons work rather than sitting in a cardboard box. I believe you have 6 sessions...then you go to the sim 8 lessons then your checkride. Ground school there are approx 6 test 3 of which are spoon feed to you but the others you need to know cold limitations, memory items and systems. Like I said study and you will do fine. Other than that the company is growing fast and you pretty much get the base you ask for...at least that was the case for our class. You should be able to upgrade in about 2 years max. Some, if you have the hours, are upgrading in FO ground school. Well I hope that helps...if you need anymore intel...PM me. See you on the line.:D
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Just out of curiousity and for future reference, What is regional training like? Is it all day everyday? Is the training like any other flight training (Tough, but if you study you'll be fine)? thanks for any info.
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 192219)
god you again, i am beginning to feel like you and traveljunky are the same person, as others have stated. did you even read my post, i said there are a lot of things to change here, alot. but do i hate the place? no. so there you go. nuff said. i want change and will do what i can to make it happen. so please just go away... you bother us all.
On another note. If you read my postings I never mention your company by name and I do not say it stinks or anything drastic I just say my opinion and it is not an opinion regarding what you think or not or what you will do or have done or not. My opinions are not about you man...... My last post was about Traveljunky and not about you..... You sound like everything is about you and you sound like the ones that say...."or you think like me or you are against me". I am not against you even if it is impossible for you to understand. You say you know all that is wrong and that you will work to change what ever you can. Great, my opinion is just that, to help, to make more people than you and a couple of newly hired on the line and happy know that there are problems and more serious than many wants to admit and that there are no control over some things and no will to change them. You dont know how I know things. I may be within you company or maybe not. I know more about what is going on than what you seem to do and that is why I have my opinions. Even if I would work for the company I would not have any problems about people being critical. On the contrary the critical ones are the ones that in the long run makes us better. Be open for different opinions and do not get so personal when they do not match yours. You react very hard any time anyone say something critical about your company. Relax and understand that everyone have the right to their own opinion. Hopefully there will always be many different opinions about things even within your company.... There are different opinions about all Regionals and all issues on this Forum and it is all part of what the Forum is all about. |
theskyisclear,
Your last post really made my brain hurt. Is english your first language? Just curious. |
Originally Posted by Inbluskyz
(Post 192329)
theskyisclear,
Your last post really made my brain hurt. Is english your first language? Just curious. |
Originally Posted by Inbluskyz
(Post 192329)
theskyisclear,
Your last post really made my brain hurt. Is english your first language? Just curious. No it's actually Russian |
Originally Posted by Past V1
(Post 192277)
Congrats to the new hire...look just bring your clothes and documents with...you shouldnt need anything else. I just past my checkride here and to tell you the truth the people here are great. No worries there. There are a number of people that don't make it through so when you get study study study...and when you think you have studied enough study somemore. You should have no problem. They have changed the training a little..they have these things called CPT's that are graphic flight display trainers and they are touch screen so you get to work in the cockpit and see how the buttons work rather than sitting in a cardboard box. I believe you have 6 sessions...then you go to the sim 8 lessons then your checkride. Ground school there are approx 6 test 3 of which are spoon feed to you but the others you need to know cold limitations, memory items and systems. Like I said study and you will do fine. Other than that the company is growing fast and you pretty much get the base you ask for...at least that was the case for our class. You should be able to upgrade in about 2 years max. Some, if you have the hours, are upgrading in FO ground school. Well I hope that helps...if you need anymore intel...PM me. See you on the line.:D
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Originally Posted by theskyisclear
(Post 192341)
No it's actually Russian
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Originally Posted by coldpilot
(Post 192342)
Thanks for the advice. I don't anticipate training being a problem. Here at UND we have to take a CRJ course to graduate, which I am in right now. So I should be a couple of steps ahead when it comes to training but I know the best thing to do is to keep my mouth shut and listen to the instructors because they are the ones that have been on the line. They know what they are talking about so it is in anyones best interest to listen up. Thanks again. See you on the line in a couple of months.
shut, coperate, graduate That's the motto Ground school is nothing (a joke and extermly easy if you just study a minimum), CPT no issue ( really easy if you just train), SIM actually really simple if the "personal attitude component" would not be included (meaning the instructor can be excellent or an @##.)......you can be gods gift to aviation but after you done Ground school and CPT and going for the Sim follow the "shut, dont question things, bend over, take any nasty attitude, do not react, play dumb, coperate and you will graduate" you will do just fine if you follow it. 95% wash out at the SIM and even at the end and not because it is difficult. There is a lot of good people working there and the values the company have are great. I heard people hope they fix the problems with some Sim instructors attitude and they said the wash out % would look much different. I dont know if it's right but I heard that from several that been at the SIM in Memphis recently. Just keep the cool. |
theskyisclear,
Do you work for Pinnacle? |
Originally Posted by Inbluskyz
(Post 192351)
No worries. I can tell by yor writing that english is not your first language. Don't take it personally though, I'm not trying to insult your intelligence.
I believe I am very good at it, do you speak Russian, French or German? I am sure you only know English and you seem to have difficulties with variations. Do you know they speak English in New Zeeland, Australia, South Africa, India, England among many and that they all have their own way of talking........... It's funny but here in America I heard many times that the more languages you speak the more intelligent you are.........so were does it leave you if you only know English...........just thinking loud I am american now after 15 years in this great country. All my English I learned in Russia. You know we also have different letters? |
Originally Posted by Inbluskyz
(Post 192365)
theskyisclear,
Do you work for Pinnacle? How about you? What Regional do you work for? |
disregard!
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Originally Posted by theskyisclear
(Post 192366)
not taken,
I believe I am very good at it, do you speak Russian, French or German? I am sure you only know English and you seem to have difficulties with variations. Do you know they speak English in New Zeeland, Australia, South Africa, India, England among many and that they all have their own way of talking..........." It's funny but here in America I heard many times that the more languages you speak the more intelligent you are.........so were does it leave you if you only know English...........just thinking loud I am american now after 15 years in this great country. All my English I learned in Russia. You know we also have different letters? No. As a matter of fact I don't. Do I need to speak Russian, French or German if I were to fly internationally into Russia, France or Germany? "I am sure you only know English and you seem to have difficulties with variations." Russian is not a variation of English. It's New Zealand. "It's funny but here in America I heard many times that the more languages you speak the more intelligent you are.........so were does it leave you if you only know English...........just thinking loud" No, your just assuming aloud. "All my English I learned in Russia. You know we also have different letters?" Yes, it's called the Cryllic alphabet. |
All you need to know is this....
"Simply The Best" You soon will know what is means to mgmt, and what it means to the pilot group... Enjoy the pilot group, get your hours, get the upgrade, and move on with your jumpstart while everyone is bragging about their FO payrates at year 3 while you are moving on to your true goal of major/corporate/charter/freight/ or whatever else you want to do with aviation and need that magical 1000TJPIC. PNCL may possibly have the LOWEST 2nd year FO pay... but few are even looking at that since 2nd year CA pay is better and you can get there if you have any time when you show up for NH FO training. I hold CA seniority here and I am not even on 2nd year FO pay yet- just need to wait for age to upgrade. You are hired and get all you can out of 9E- congrats again. Everyone has different reasons to go to different regionals. If you live in base (or have an easy commute to a base) and just want the CA time to move on PNCL is hard to beat. If you want a career here I would suggest elsewhere at the current time. A contract can/will change many things, but there is no time like the present to get in and out with all jet time with a quick transition! |
Originally Posted by theskyisclear
(Post 192367)
Maybe I do maybe I don't.
How about you? What Regional do you work for? None right now. I used to fly for ACA/Independence Air. |
[quote=Inbluskyz;192394]None right now. I used to fly for ACA/Independence Air.[/quo
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