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Offset Localizer
(I can't seem to find the answer to this anywhere. Prepping for an interview.)
If we have an offset localizer (up to 3 degrees), when the value is positive (e.g, 1.75 deg), we'd expect to see the runway on which side of aircraft? I'd assume a positive value means the final approach course would bring you in just to the right of runway, and the runway would be left of center from the cockpit perspective. But I can't find the answer anywhere online. Thanks for the help. |
Originally Posted by SandMan2
(Post 3723383)
(I can't seem to find the answer to this anywhere. Prepping for an interview.)
If we have an offset localizer (up to 3 degrees), when the value is positive (e.g, 1.75 deg), we'd expect to see the runway on which side of aircraft? I'd assume a positive value means the final approach course would bring you in just to the right of runway, and the runway would be left of center from the cockpit perspective. But I can't find the answer anywhere online. Thanks for the help. The main thing is the rwy hdg v LOC. It the LOC is 270 and your course is 267, the rwy will be offset right. If your course is 273 it'll be left. Then consider wind correction on final and that'll give you your answer on where to look out the window. Good luck. |
Sigh. The answer to that question is visually obvious on the chart.
Interviewers should not be asking questions like that without the chart in front of you. That's kind of like having you draw the overhead panel from memory :rolleyes: Not picking on the OP. Hopefully it's a well-paying job if they play games like that. |
Originally Posted by Beech Dude
(Post 3723389)
The main thing is the rwy hdg v LOC. It the LOC is 270 and your course is 267, the rwy will be offset right. If your course is 273 it'll be left. Then consider wind correction on final and that'll give you your answer on where to look out the window. Good luck. |
Originally Posted by SandMan2
(Post 3723383)
(I can't seem to find the answer to this anywhere. Prepping for an interview.)
If we have an offset localizer (up to 3 degrees), when the value is positive (e.g, 1.75 deg), we'd expect to see the runway on which side of aircraft? I'd assume a positive value means the final approach course would bring you in just to the right of runway, and the runway would be left of center from the cockpit perspective. But I can't find the answer anywhere online. Thanks for the help. |
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 3723619)
Where you'll see the runway depends on winds aloft, regardless of the offset.
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Pop quiz, hot shot. Are PAPI Lights:
Red Over White -or- White Over Red If you don’t know without looking you’re not a real pilot. |
Originally Posted by APCHCLIMB
(Post 3724154)
Pop quiz, hot shot. Are PAPI Lights:
Red Over White -or- White Over Red If you don’t know without looking you’re not a real pilot. ................... |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3724160)
Neither?
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Red over red, you're dead.
Red over white, you're alright. White over white, you're out of sight. |
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 3724584)
Red over red, you're dead.
Red over white, you're alright. White over white, you're out of sight. ................... |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3724586)
RTFQ
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 3724588)
The question didn't stipulate that one has to fly the approach upright.
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I would be exactly the person who didn't apply for the job, because it would be a significant step backward.
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Originally Posted by SandMan2
(Post 3723383)
(I can't seem to find the answer to this anywhere. Prepping for an interview.)
If we have an offset localizer (up to 3 degrees), when the value is positive (e.g, 1.75 deg), we'd expect to see the runway on which side of aircraft? I'd assume a positive value means the final approach course would bring you in just to the right of runway, and the runway would be left of center from the cockpit perspective. But I can't find the answer anywhere online. Thanks for the help. |
please tell us what company is asking such stupid questions
so we know where NOT to apply at |
I'm still trying to decipher what's positive vs negative?
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Originally Posted by kevin18
(Post 3726332)
seriously, my company is removing localizers from training next year because they’re outdated with rnav approaches now.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 3726538)
United is not training localizer approaches any more?
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Originally Posted by Pilsung
(Post 3726549)
JB- perhaps learning the difference between VASI & PAPI is a more important question…?
It was a bad question, hence it's construction, and did not deserve a sserious reply. The notion of abandoning localizers because they are "outdated" is equally idiotic. However, when considering where the runway will appear in the windscreen when breaking out, as noted before, it depends entirely on winds aloft. If there is no wind, regardless of whether the runway is offset, if one is on a localizer, the runway will appear at 12 o clock, but angled slightly away. Any significant wind aloft can put the localizer at the 10 o'clock or 2 o'clock positions, or greater, and that is a far more important thing to consider, than the ramifications of an offset localizer on a calm day. Winds aloft determine where that runway will appear when one breaks out, and where one should be looking. As for imagined or invented terms such as "positive or negative" with reference to the localizer, those serve only to confuse the reader and provide no useful information with an explanation as to what the questioner means. |
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 3726557)
It was a bad question, hence it's construction, and did not deserve a sserious reply.
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Originally Posted by SandMan2
(Post 3723383)
(I can't seem to find the answer to this anywhere. Prepping for an interview.)
If we have an offset localizer (up to 3 degrees), when the value is positive (e.g, 1.75 deg), we'd expect to see the runway on which side of aircraft? I'd assume a positive value means the final approach course would bring you in just to the right of runway, and the runway would be left of center from the cockpit perspective. But I can't find the answer anywhere online. Thanks for the help. Same as clockwise compass numbers increasing and counter clockwise decreasing. So in a no wind condition offset “+” is to the right. Anything less then full scale we’ll call it good. Final answer. |
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 3726650)
It speaks volumes of a person's character when they can't admit to even a minor mistake.
It speaks far more when one refused to cop to a mistake one didn't make. Read. |
Originally Posted by JohnBurke;[url=tel:3726538
3726538[/url]]United is not training localizer approaches any more?
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Obviously the offset is the number of degrees from the final approach course - it isn't a positive or negative number.
You can tell this somewhat from the aiming arrow on the figure (at least on the AIS plates. |
Originally Posted by kevin18
(Post 3727359)
That’s what I was told at my last CQ, at least on the bus.
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