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If any of you guys were inbound/outbound to KATL last night around 10-11......
That was me on the visual for 26Right in my speedy 172 chicken-hawk:D
Call sign was: Niner-Alpha-Fox |
LoL Tryin' to play w/the Big Boys, eh?! :-P
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Just keep the speed up and you will fit right in! What kind of reaction did you get from ATC? They are usually pretty accomodating at that time of the night. Next time you land there on 26R, request a taxi on "Dixie" for a departure to the south on 27R. It may take an hour or more, but you will get to taxi with the big guys! or maybe they will tell you "unable" (code word for 'get the $#@% out of here.......and do it fast!'). Have fun!
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so how fast were you coming in?
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Originally Posted by Bri85
(Post 198958)
so how fast were you coming in?
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Originally Posted by Bri85
(Post 198958)
so how fast were you coming in?
I was 117 knots on short final, no flaps of course:D..........talk about a float in ground effect....probably used as much runway as a CRJ, probably was the same speed on short final as Acey's ATR's:D |
117!? Rookies
step 1: fly down the pipe at the yellow arc (higher if the air is smooth) all the way down to the approach lights. step 2: put the plane into a full slip but hold glide path so you are using the drag to reduce speed and not lose altitude. step 3: once the airspeed is around 110 put in full flaps and roll out of the slip as the flaps are extending making sure to abide by "slips with flaps are not reccomended" step 4: land the airplane somewhere around 80 which should give you just enough float to not land that sweet short field landing on the numbers of your favorite class B and then taxi 4000' to the first exit at 5 knots giving thumbsup to all of the jets holding short for your "sweet" perfect short field landing right on the numbers It makes controllers happy when you say you can give them 140 on an approach in a skychicken disclaimer: please do not attempt this if it is beyond your ability, and not reccomended in actual unless you have more ifr experience than the 3 hours in the hood you got for your private |
Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
(Post 198998)
117!? Rookies
step 1: fly down the pipe at the yellow arc (higher if the air is smooth) all the way down to the approach lights. step 2: put the plane into a full slip but hold glide path so you are using the drag to reduce speed and not lose altitude. step 3: once the airspeed is around 110 put in full flaps and roll out of the slip as the flaps are extending making sure to abide by "slips with flaps are not reccomended" step 4: land the airplane somewhere around 80 which should give you just enough float to not land that sweet short field landing on the numbers of your favorite class B and then taxi 4000' to the first exit at 5 knots giving thumbsup to all of the jets holding short for your "sweet" perfect short field landing right on the numbers It makes controllers happy when you say you can give them 140 on an approach in a skychicken disclaimer: please do not attempt this if it is beyond your ability, and not reccomended in actual unless you have more ifr experience than the 3 hours in the hood you got for your private |
I can only imagine envy
living the dream in a sweaty bug smasher |
Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
(Post 198998)
117!? Rookies
step 1: fly down the pipe at the yellow arc (higher if the air is smooth) all the way down to the approach lights. step 2: put the plane into a full slip but hold glide path so you are using the drag to reduce speed and not lose altitude. step 3: once the airspeed is around 110 put in full flaps and roll out of the slip as the flaps are extending making sure to abide by "slips with flaps are not reccomended" step 4: land the airplane somewhere around 80 which should give you just enough float to not land that sweet short field landing on the numbers of your favorite class B and then taxi 4000' to the first exit at 5 knots giving thumbsup to all of the jets holding short for your "sweet" perfect short field landing right on the numbers It makes controllers happy when you say you can give them 140 on an approach in a skychicken disclaimer: please do not attempt this if it is beyond your ability, and not reccomended in actual unless you have more ifr experience than the 3 hours in the hood you got for your private nice dude, verrry nice.... that's just classy in every way....brought a smile to my face |
Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
(Post 198998)
117!? Rookies
step 1: fly down the pipe at the yellow arc (higher if the air is smooth) all the way down to the approach lights. step 2: put the plane into a full slip but hold glide path so you are using the drag to reduce speed and not lose altitude. step 3: once the airspeed is around 110 put in full flaps and roll out of the slip as the flaps are extending making sure to abide by "slips with flaps are not reccomended" step 4: land the airplane somewhere around 80 which should give you just enough float to not land that sweet short field landing on the numbers of your favorite class B and then taxi 4000' to the first exit at 5 knots giving thumbsup to all of the jets holding short for your "sweet" perfect short field landing right on the numbers It makes controllers happy when you say you can give them 140 on an approach in a skychicken disclaimer: please do not attempt this if it is beyond your ability, and not reccomended in actual unless you have more ifr experience than the 3 hours in the hood you got for your private My instructor and I came down the ILS at TUS at 170 indicated the last time I was down there... Although the PA-44 Slows down a bit quicker than a 172.:) |
haha - rock on.
Now, everytime someone gives me hell for wanting to go into ATL at 3am in a Diamond Twinstar I'll let them know some guy in a Cessna 172 went in there at 10-11PM. Nice. |
Dang I must have been lucky, no one has given me hell about going into hou or msp in the middle of the day in the chicken hawk:eek::cool:
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Originally Posted by Dark Knight
(Post 199225)
nice dude, verrry nice....
that's just classy in every way....brought a smile to my face I cant tell if this is sarcasm of not:confused: |
Originally Posted by pete2800
(Post 199248)
Thats very nice.
My instructor and I came down the ILS at TUS at 170 indicated the last time I was down there... Although the PA-44 Slows down a bit quicker than a 172.:) |
Originally Posted by surreal1221
(Post 199250)
haha - rock on.
Now, everytime someone gives me hell for wanting to go into ATL at 3am in a Diamond Twinstar I'll let them know some guy in a Cessna 172 went in there at 10-11PM. Nice. |
Originally Posted by ERAUdude
(Post 199284)
Yeah, going into SNA one time, we were doing about 160 KIAS over the 405 freeway. Yes, it is a good thing they slow down FAST. Over the freeway power to idle, at 140 gear down, at 100 flaps fully extended. Man was it fun! No exaggeration, those that have flown the PA-44 know how fast that thing slows down.
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sometimes you just have to keep it interesting. Vref is for over the threshold, what happens before that is dependent upon the situation.
in case you are wondering..i am not some renegade pilot or one of those "bold" pilots that is out with a death wish. I do feel however that if you know your machine it opens up alot of doors and options for you. Just look at mr. hoover |
The closest I came to that kind of fun was a Cessna 152 into CLT during July. Joined the 737 conga line and flew the ILS wide open at a screaming 100 kts. Good news? It wasn't prime time and I don't think that I irritated the working pros or the controllers. Great experience.
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Well, I have to issue an apology. Yesterday my student and I took a x/c down to PHX. Everything went really smoothly, quick in and out at 1630 local time. Except I pretty much botched the arrival...approach told us to PLAN to follow an Alaska 737, and I heard FOLLOW the 737. So I told my student to turn and fall in behind him. Thirty seconds later approach was all over my case saying I needed to listen up and pay attention, now Alaska was too close to me (apparently we were keeping up???) and he couldn't let him descend. Approach asked Alaska if they could make it (about 3,000 AGL a mile or two out) and AK said "I don't know, we'll see". Long story short, I nearly made a 737 go around in my bugsmasher. They made it, we survived the tongue lashing, and I learned a lesson. With a shameful entry though. :( So if you were flying into PHX yesterday and some idiot in a 172 wouldn't let you descend, I owe you a beer and an apology.
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Went into MDW at about 800pm on a Thursday night in a 172. That was fun. They weren;t thrilled with the request for a Touch and go.
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I used to go into PIT all the time in a cessna it was the most fun ever coming in at 140 then doing a low approach at 120 eating up all 8000+ feet of runway. One night i was up there for an hour doing touch and goes in the duchess on 28L what a great expierence.
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
(Post 198998)
117!? Rookies
step 1: fly down the pipe at the yellow arc (higher if the air is smooth) all the way down to the approach lights. step 2: put the plane into a full slip but hold glide path so you are using the drag to reduce speed and not lose altitude. step 3: once the airspeed is around 110 put in full flaps and roll out of the slip as the flaps are extending making sure to abide by "slips with flaps are not reccomended" step 4: land the airplane somewhere around 80 which should give you just enough float to not land that sweet short field landing on the numbers of your favorite class B and then taxi 4000' to the first exit at 5 knots giving thumbsup to all of the jets holding short for your "sweet" perfect short field landing right on the numbers It makes controllers happy when you say you can give them 140 on an approach in a skychicken disclaimer: please do not attempt this if it is beyond your ability, and not reccomended in actual unless you have more ifr experience than the 3 hours in the hood you got for your private .... just like the old days! God, I miss doing stuff like that!! :D |
Originally Posted by Timmay
(Post 199423)
So if you were flying into PHX yesterday and some idiot in a 172 wouldn't let you descend, I owe you a beer and an apology.
Did you come down from KPRC? God I miss that place! |
I shot ILS 25L in PHX at 1 am at 200 kts (Vne 202) in a Piper Seminole, leveled off at 25' screaming down the runway at full throttle, pulled up into a high speed climb (around 20-25 degrees of pitch) while rolling the plane into a 30 degree right hand turn in the direction of Squaw Peak back towards Deer Valley Airport. The controller wanted Max forward speed so I gave it to him. That was definitely one of the most memorable approached I’ve ever shot. The trick is to keep a little nose up trim when you level off so that the airplane wants to climb, just incase something happens.
PS. Don't try this unless you’re a highly skilled pilot and even then think it through. |
Flew the pattern on 22R in DTW in a 150 at around 10pm... it was awesome!
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 199541)
PS. Don't try this unless you’re a highly skilled pilot and even then think it through. |
Originally Posted by Alknew182
(Post 199589)
Flew the pattern on 22R in DTW in a 150 at around 10pm... it was awesome!
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Originally Posted by UNDGUY
(Post 199630)
A tower controller from DTW used to hang out at our FBO occasionally and BS. He told me that they have huge pushes and then they usually twiddle their thumbs for a couple hours until the next push. He told me anytime I wanted to come down and do touch and gos in my 150 just give him a call and he could give me the right time to do it. He said they regulary had guys do patterns in the middle of the day as long as they weren't busy. Never actually did it, but it would have been fun.
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Nothing like an actual demonstration of Class Bravo airspace operations to a student.:D
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Originally Posted by OOTSK
(Post 199524)
Did you come down from KPRC? God I miss that place!
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
(Post 199603)
HA...ok chuck
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Way to go Timmay...always gotta make us look bad. Its hard enough being an ERAU grad...
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That must have been an exciting experience. Did they boot you out fast and send u right out or did you get to mingle with the jets?
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Originally Posted by Alknew182
(Post 199636)
well if you ever get the chance you should do.... it seems like forever when you are on downwind there vs doing the down wind at PTK its just awesome...
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Originally Posted by Timmay
(Post 199731)
Yep, my student wanted to try out Sky Harbor rather than the age-old Deer Valley run, and I couldn't argue, so off we went! When were you here last?
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Originally Posted by Timmay
(Post 199731)
Yep, my student wanted to try out Sky Harbor rather than the age-old Deer Valley run, and I couldn't argue, so off we went! When were you here last?
Looking forward to returning. Taking the kids to the Grand Canyon soon, will have to stop in PRC for a visit and a Whataburger! |
Sounds like fun:) I flew into ATL in the seminole with a comm multi student last year, but we landed there at about 0100 in the morning. No traffic at all on the way in! We landed on 8L, taxied on Dixie to the ramp, taxi took about 1 minute. Landing fee was 6 bucks, ramp fee was 40, which was waived when we got fuel (EXPENSIVE fuel, but that was expected.) We left about a half hour later, I had him do the runup on the ramp, and sure enough, we taxied out in front of a DC-8 and a Hawker. They cleared us for takeoff when we were halfway down the taxiway:D
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Originally Posted by CaribPilot
(Post 199255)
I cant tell if this is sarcasm of not:confused:
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a better disclaimer is the landing fees at most class B is at least 30 dollars and that is if you just do a touch and go, if you require the assistance of an fbo then you are looking at upwards of 100 dollars
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