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Ravenwing 10-26-2024 09:01 AM

My employer, Envoy, said in a company email that they plan to hire 600 pilots in 2025. They are bringing back professional sim instructors next month to increase their training capacity. They are planning for growth, attrition, and flow. I imagine that the other AA wholly owneds are making similar plans. I think the industry will start to see more movement in January when AA resumes training new pilots.

The wildcard is Spirit which sent out an internal memo about more furloughs coming. Rumor is they are talking about merging with Frontier again, but they have been struggling and there is still a chance they may go out of business. When high time Spirit pilots get hired by the big 3, there is less room for regional captains to move up. The low time Spirit pilots may jump to the regionals, leaving less room for pilots looking for their first Part 121 job. Just the threat of furloughs is going to make more of their pilots job hunt and therefore slow down attrition at the regional airlines.

Keep updating your applications and consider getting an app review, resume re-write, and interview prep. Position yourself to be at the beginning of the next hiring wave. It's still going to be competitive.

BurnCycle 10-26-2024 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3846423)
Hmmm. Why would one ever think otherwise?

Perhaps because you made it such an issue. That was you, wasn't it? Hard to recall...

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/3800480-post25.html

John, that long post through that link was by far the most entertaining thing I've read in a long time.

Cleared4appch 10-26-2024 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by BurnCycle (Post 3847749)
John, that long post through that link was by far the most entertaining thing I've read in a long time.

It was definitely entertaining. It reminds me that the OP is way overqualified. I actually forgot that since the OP went radio silent on here for awhile. He’s probably been spending the whole summer having to revise his logbooks after he realized he hit a massive brick wall, because God only knows what they look like.

But yea, he’s definitely overqualified. If he were applying to be a nasa astronaut, nasa would say he’s overqualified too. The shuttle is too easy for him. He would make the other shuttle pilots look like amateurs.

Peoplemvr 10-26-2024 04:36 PM

I am afraid the days of getting hired to a 121 carrier just because you can fog a mirror a gone for the foreseeable future.
And the previous posters are absolutely correct regarding second career pilot's trainability.

bluespoon 10-27-2024 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by 121noob (Post 3843569)
Any ideas on when regionals will hire again? I have just under 2000 hours and fly Part 135.

In my experience they all call when you least expect it. Just focus on your current job, forget about the airlines. Browsing regional airline websites every night isn’t going to get you called faster. Try to go to any kind of job fairs or networking events if there are any still but I wouldn’t fret over it. I think we all like to think we can control this crazy process of finding a spot at the airlines but honestly it’s mostly just luck.

Otterbox 10-28-2024 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by 121noob (Post 3843569)
Any ideas on when regionals will hire again? I have just under 2000 hours and fly Part 135.

They never stopped. Keep hitting the job fairs. Don't forget to shave.

121noob 10-28-2024 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by QRH Bingo (Post 3847168)
FWIW, it seems that most regionals don't like second career types. Suposedly the reason behind that is a higher risk of failing out in training, satistically speaking; so I have been told. I have not researched the topic. So that could be one thing to look at as you reflect on the sound of crickets. Figuing out a way to get your ATP and a full type rating (as you have mentioned in the past) could help prove to recruiters you can successfully pass a training event.

Yes I have 2 type ratings one in a jet and another in a turboprop

Cujo665 11-02-2024 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by 121noob (Post 3848151)
Yes I have 2 type ratings one in a jet and another in a turboprop

I've got six. The newer HR types don't put as much weight on types as much as they used to. Even less if the types were not done at a 121 carrier. Most of their training programs are geared toward the CFI to RJ type pilot.
The CA boards, instructors and everybody else recognizes the significance of passing multiple 121 type ratings.... but it's kinda lost on the initial HR folks picking apps from the pile. They tend to value volunteerism over type ratings.

Networking is how you get jobs in this market. Every airline has more apps than jobs currently. You need a way to get noticed or pulled. Job fairs until they are sick of seeing you and interview you, or networking your tail off to get so many internals that HR is afraid of a mass revolt if they don't hire you.

You're strill not hired yet? with all your "qualifications." Maybe it's not the qualifications......
I'd go back and read JohnBurk's post again that he sent you.

121noob 11-03-2024 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by Ravenwing (Post 3847739)
My employer, Envoy, said in a company email that they plan to hire 600 pilots in 2025. They are bringing back professional sim instructors next month to increase their training capacity. They are planning for growth, attrition, and flow. I imagine that the other AA wholly owneds are making similar plans. I think the industry will start to see more movement in January when AA resumes training new pilots.

The wildcard is Spirit which sent out an internal memo about more furloughs coming. Rumor is they are talking about merging with Frontier again, but they have been struggling and there is still a chance they may go out of business. When high time Spirit pilots get hired by the big 3, there is less room for regional captains to move up. The low time Spirit pilots may jump to the regionals, leaving less room for pilots looking for their first Part 121 job. Just the threat of furloughs is going to make more of their pilots job hunt and therefore slow down attrition at the regional airlines.

Keep updating your applications and consider getting an app review, resume re-write, and interview prep. Position yourself to be at the beginning of the next hiring wave. It's still going to be competitive.

Thank you for actually providing helpful and useful infromation that is productive.

Question, how many of the 600 pilots Envoy plans to hire will be from their cadet/academy program?

Cleared4appch 11-03-2024 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3849540)
I've got six. The newer HR types don't put as much weight on types as much as they used to. Even less if the types were not done at a 121 carrier. Most of their training programs are geared toward the CFI to RJ type pilot.
The CA boards, instructors and everybody else recognizes the significance of passing multiple 121 type ratings.... but it's kinda lost on the initial HR folks picking apps from the pile. They tend to value volunteerism over type ratings.

Networking is how you get jobs in this market. Every airline has more apps than jobs currently. You need a way to get noticed or pulled. Job fairs until they are sick of seeing you and interview you, or networking your tail off to get so many internals that HR is afraid of a mass revolt if they don't hire you.

You're strill not hired yet? with all your "qualifications." Maybe it's not the qualifications......
I'd go back and read JohnBurk's post again that he sent you.

lololol I can’t help but notice how he only responds now to the ones who don’t mention the shaving part or aren’t giving it to him bluntly.


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